Satanism and Christian Anti-Satanic Intolerance

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SOD of the CoE

2004-12-21 01:57:26 UTC

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"user" <***@user.com>:
# I grew up seeing divisions and splits it churches. People would
# always disagree and end up going to other churches or starting their
# own little groups that eventually grew into churches.

the frequency of this probably reflects in some measure the power
associated with the authority of the individual in the cult.

# I have chosen
# the path of Satanism - Levay's version,

then get his name right, it is Anton Szandor LaVey.

# yet I have seen the same divisions hit the followers of Levay.

not comparable exactly. 'followers of LaVey' would not be easily
seen just by observing those who were or have at one time been
members of the Church of Satan, primarily because this church is
easy to get into (fill out a simple form, send the $, then steer
clear of the admin's clique-dar).

# First, I recommend a democracy instead of a monarchy.

are LaVeyans advocating monarchy with some of their people in
charge? no doubt. there's a 'Social Darwinist' fetish bandied.

# Second, I suggest reading Robert's Rules of
# Order that was established by a guy in the military.

LOL! good suggestion. instead of a democracy why not anarchism?

# Finally, we need new books on Satanism.

agreed. how will you determine that it is Satanism? what if
it doesn't conform with what LaVey's CoSatanism preaches?
will it demonstrate itself corrupt and false?

# There are many gifted and talented members of your groups who
# could develop new and maybe better books on the topics.

quite so.

# So how do you do it? E.g. the Church of Satan should have a book
# endorsement program.

there is something of this sort in 'Recommended Reading' in
such documents as HPaulis' CoS FAQ. the ToS had very wonderful
book reviews from MAquino's particularly-slanted perspective;
well worth examination.

# They should have some type of stamp on the
# Author's book that shows the public that the members of the Church of
# Satan, for example, have read and approved the book as legitimate
# Church of Satan literature.

oh in terms of CoSatanic literature, that's usually published by
Hell's Kitchen or some Talonoid house. you can pretty much boil
it down to books by LaVey and family (incl. Barton/kids).

# Wouldn't be cool to see Karla, Blanch, and everyone else band together
# to kick ass in 2004 and beyond. Fuck money and politics! We are being
# filtered out of society by weak minded zombies of Jesus and JC Pennys!

LOL! please point to where this 'filtration out of society' is happening.

# Maybe this is all a stupid idea, but Levay's ideas aren't dead to me.

they seem very important to a good many cultists.

# Anyway, who gives a shit if he lied about his past? PERFECT! If that
# is what got him to the top then GREAT! Why have you nitpicking idiots
# disected him to death? Didn't his ideas influence you in the first
# place? That is what matters... Why not replace that nitpicking energy
# with being a SATANIST?

generally the issue is hypocrisy and measurement of the man with what the
man expresses as worthy ideals. if he doesn't live by them himself, then
his hypocrisy doesn't help his catcalls against hypocrisy/stupidity much.

# I am tired of Christian bullies!

there's also sufficient Satanist bullies to go around. didn't you hear
all the horror stories from Tani&Co about slander and slams and online
bullying and internal CoS-bullying? doesn't the Bogey do bullying too?

# Satanism proves how intolerant
# Christians or Conservative Cows become when confronted with someone
# exercising their religous freedom to say, "I love Satan!!" or freedom
# to think for themselves and reject the myth of christ.

when 'Satan' appears to be the anti-God it is also evident how stupid
this love for Satan can seem.

# If there is "Freedom of Religion" then why can't I say, "I love the
# Devil" without being attacked and bullied by white light religious
# followers.

'freedom of religion' only applies within certain states or
jurisdictions. it doesn't guarantee that you will not be
protested or that you won't hear complaints about your religion,
only that you may practice it in the privacy of your own temple,
home, or bathroom, without unnecessary interruptions by detractors.

# Why can't I go around with a pentagram around my neck
# without being afraid of some God loving, jock, fascist, bully kicking
# my ass?

your fear is your own problem. perhaps you should consider the
context in which you are living and ask yourself why you have
this fear.

# Yeah, you know how they are all such "Good Boys" and "Right"
# like us who "Ain't Right". Satanism shows the intolerance of this
# "ONE NATION UNDER GOD"!

so to do the Bad Religion shows up the falsity of this supposed
toleration of religious diversity, inclusive tolerance.

# I am not a terrorist because I wear a pentagram!

witches say the same.

# Christianity is a weak minded bully's fascism! ....

more ignorance spewed about religion mixing in politics.

# Tons of Preachers on
# T.V., but how many Sunday Buddhist, Islam, Wiccan, or any other
# religous programs.

probably in some measure depends on
* whether you get Cable TV
* whether TV is important to you
* where you are viewing your mind-numbing programming

# Fuck religion anyway.

that is the general attitude which Satanists give out, yes.

# It is a control device for weak people who need control.

does this mean that some Satanists need this control too?

# Don't curse around me because I am Christian....

speak for yourself and get off your anti-Christian bashing.

# ...I say separation of church and state or move to Iraq!

not everyone lives in your hallowed USA.

blessed beast!

boboroshi at-sign satanservice.org: Satanic Outreach Director
Church of Euthanasia: http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/
TOKUS WEBLINKS: http://dmoz.org/Bookmarks/B/boboroshi/
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user

2004-12-21 23:51:35 UTC

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Post by SOD of the CoE
50041220 viii om
# I grew up seeing divisions and splits it churches. People would
# always disagree and end up going to other churches or starting their
# own little groups that eventually grew into churches.
the frequency of this probably reflects in some measure the power
associated with the authority of the individual in the cult.
# I have chosen
# the path of Satanism - Levay's version,
then get his name right, it is Anton Szandor LaVey.
# yet I have seen the same divisions hit the followers of Levay.
not comparable exactly. 'followers of LaVey' would not be easily
seen just by observing those who were or have at one time been
members of the Church of Satan, primarily because this church is
easy to get into (fill out a simple form, send the $, then steer
clear of the admin's clique-dar).
# First, I recommend a democracy instead of a monarchy.
are LaVeyans advocating monarchy with some of their people in
charge? no doubt. there's a 'Social Darwinist' fetish bandied.
# Second, I suggest reading Robert's Rules of
# Order that was established by a guy in the military.
LOL! good suggestion. instead of a democracy why not anarchism?
# Finally, we need new books on Satanism.
agreed. how will you determine that it is Satanism? what if
it doesn't conform with what LaVey's CoSatanism preaches?
will it demonstrate itself corrupt and false?
# There are many gifted and talented members of your groups who
# could develop new and maybe better books on the topics.
quite so.
# So how do you do it? E.g. the Church of Satan should have a book
# endorsement program.
there is something of this sort in 'Recommended Reading' in
such documents as HPaulis' CoS FAQ. the ToS had very wonderful
book reviews from MAquino's particularly-slanted perspective;
well worth examination.
# They should have some type of stamp on the
# Author's book that shows the public that the members of the Church
of # Satan, for example, have read and approved the book as legitimate
# Church of Satan literature.
oh in terms of CoSatanic literature, that's usually published by
Hell's Kitchen or some Talonoid house. you can pretty much boil
it down to books by LaVey and family (incl. Barton/kids).
# Wouldn't be cool to see Karla, Blanch, and everyone else band
together # to kick ass in 2004 and beyond. Fuck money and politics!
We are being # filtered out of society by weak minded zombies of
Jesus and JC Pennys!
LOL! please point to where this 'filtration out of society' is
happening.
# Maybe this is all a stupid idea, but Levay's ideas aren't dead to me.
they seem very important to a good many cultists.
# Anyway, who gives a shit if he lied about his past? PERFECT! If
that # is what got him to the top then GREAT! Why have you
nitpicking idiots # disected him to death? Didn't his ideas
influence you in the first # place? That is what matters... Why not
replace that nitpicking energy # with being a SATANIST?
generally the issue is hypocrisy and measurement of the man with what
the man expresses as worthy ideals. if he doesn't live by them
himself, then his hypocrisy doesn't help his catcalls against
hypocrisy/stupidity much.
# I am tired of Christian bullies!
there's also sufficient Satanist bullies to go around. didn't you hear
all the horror stories from Tani&Co about slander and slams and online
bullying and internal CoS-bullying? doesn't the Bogey do bullying too?
# Satanism proves how intolerant
# Christians or Conservative Cows become when confronted with someone
# exercising their religous freedom to say, "I love Satan!!" or
freedom # to think for themselves and reject the myth of christ.
when 'Satan' appears to be the anti-God it is also evident how stupid
this love for Satan can seem.
# If there is "Freedom of Religion" then why can't I say, "I love the
# Devil" without being attacked and bullied by white light religious
# followers.
'freedom of religion' only applies within certain states or
jurisdictions. it doesn't guarantee that you will not be
protested or that you won't hear complaints about your religion,
only that you may practice it in the privacy of your own temple,
home, or bathroom, without unnecessary interruptions by detractors.
# Why can't I go around with a pentagram around my neck
# without being afraid of some God loving, jock, fascist, bully
kicking # my ass?
your fear is your own problem. perhaps you should consider the
context in which you are living and ask yourself why you have
this fear.
# Yeah, you know how they are all such "Good Boys" and "Right"
# like us who "Ain't Right". Satanism shows the intolerance of this
# "ONE NATION UNDER GOD"!
so to do the Bad Religion shows up the falsity of this supposed
toleration of religious diversity, inclusive tolerance.
# I am not a terrorist because I wear a pentagram!
witches say the same.
# Christianity is a weak minded bully's fascism! ....
more ignorance spewed about religion mixing in politics.
# Tons of Preachers on
# T.V., but how many Sunday Buddhist, Islam, Wiccan, or any other
# religous programs.
probably in some measure depends on
* whether you get Cable TV
* whether TV is important to you
* where you are viewing your mind-numbing programming
# Fuck religion anyway.
that is the general attitude which Satanists give out, yes.
# It is a control device for weak people who need control.
does this mean that some Satanists need this control too?
# Don't curse around me because I am Christian....
speak for yourself and get off your anti-Christian bashing.
# ...I say separation of church and state or move to Iraq!
not everyone lives in your hallowed USA.
blessed beast!
boboroshi at-sign satanservice.org: Satanic Outreach Director
Church of Euthanasia: http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/
TOKUS WEBLINKS: http://dmoz.org/Bookmarks/B/boboroshi/
http://www.satanservice.org/

You gave me more to think about. I appreciate your criticism and
opinions. You was right on many points.

user

2004-12-22 02:14:28 UTC

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I'm not a Lemming. I am not a sheep. I am the next evolution. I am a
SATANIST because I can if I choose too be the anti-little g. I agree
with some of your thoughts about voluntary population control and
embrace some of your other ideas, yet I have enough self-esteem and
hope for our superiority in the chain of evolution to believe we can
still make a difference with out degrading ourselves to the level of
the suicide bomber, Lemming, Kamikazes, or the bug on a windshield, ohh
wait, a worthless MARTYR. You sound like you have no confidence in
yourself or mankind. Why are you so vague, elitist, and righteous
sounding to us ignorant pooping pigeons. If Satanists are so dumb then
why do they keep shitting on everyone's car and flying away? Why does
everyone keep feeding us shitting pigeons food in the park? It is
because everyone needs a DEVIL in their life. I am object of
imperfection to you, at this moment, you need me to redeem me to your
mansion of elitist righteousness. I am the mocking PAN dancing with
his flute and testicles swaying in the wind of righteous crusade of
"SAVING HUMANITY?" Why not have a bumber sticker on your car that
reads, "SAVE us Lemmings??" If you want to make a difference, just be
open, honest, and straightforward with the public like LaVey was with
his views. Yes, we need LAW and order to protect us from the meek,
stupid, and envious ones with low self-esteems, respect for themselves
or others. We need good old fashioned hangings and lever pulling
executions for those who dare to fuck with our personal freedoms and
liberties. Satanism reminds us of responsibility to the responsible
and An eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth. The lex talionis is a law
of equal and direct retribution, this is healthy and it is what we all
want and call being FAIR and civil. We need some type of order.
Democracy avoids the Hitlers. It isn't perfect, but it seems to work
for most countries who adopt it. As a friend of mine said, "I am an
equilibriumist." I am not a Lemming, I am a HUMAN and you are a HUMAN
and we deserve each other because we are compatible. I am here and you
are here. I am meant for your pleasure and you are meant for mine.
When you attack me, I will defend. When you help me, I will help you.
Read about Feral Children. We need each other, but in moderation! You
are right! We fuck like horny monkeys instead of smart humans with
responsible rubbers on the tips of our baby maker missiles. We are not
all equal so we need LAWS to keep reasonable coexistence. Code of
Hammurbi! Ohh, and have you been watching to much of Soylent Green?
Yucky! In a dog eat dog world the last guy standing is alone. I want
to preserve myself and others for my own happiness and selfish reasons.
Why be a shivering poodle to the reality of NATURE and snuff yourself
out like a yellow bellied wimp? I believe I was born to fight for life
and hope for my own personal pleasure! Don't be a Lemming. If it
means helping others to help yourself then FINE, the better for me!
Yes, I agree in birth control for these Crack Moms who like having ten
babies to get drug money and Twinkies for their big huge asses! They
need to be responsible if they are going to make us taxpayers pay to
raise their children. Also, ban all credit, except for a house or a
car, and what you borrow should be base on your current level of
income. But ban all credit cards! I agree with your voluntary
sterilization and the reward system a 100%. Furthermore, WELFARE
system is for the irresponsible in society who want everyone else to
foot the bill for their irresponsible actions. This is a replay a the
pathetic Robin Hood saga. The rich worked for it, so fuck the lazy
poor guy wanting handouts. Fuck the pan handlers. Don't get me wrong,
I believe those who REALLY NEED IT (Like the disabled or mentally
retarded) should get it as long as I am not obligated or forced in to
them by there manipulating guilt trips. What if your mom was hit by a
drunk driver and paralyzed for life? You would be knocking on state
doors asking for her to get a disability! Yet I think a large majority
abuse the system and don't deserve every penny of mine they get from my
wallet on payday. Why not have a test to see if your child will be
mentally handicapped so you can have an abortion before allowing the
child to be raised in Hell? Like a gene or DNA pre-test? All drug
addicts should be sterilized so they don't have mentally retarded kids
too! End of rant, lol. Nothing personal, look forward to hearing more
of everyone's thoughts. It's all a learning experience.
Hail Satan!!!

SOD of the CoE

2004-12-22 05:45:28 UTC

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50041221 viii om Happy Black Night N-Hemi Birthday!

some user wrote:
# ...I have enough self-esteem and hope for our superiority in
# the chain of evolution to believe we can still make a difference
# with out degrading ourselves to the level of the suicide bomber,
# Lemming, Kamikazes, or the bug on a windshield,

evolution is not designed for optimization, only for local
exploitation and survival through incipient conditions.

# ohh wait, a worthless MARTYR.

martyrs aren't by virtue of their status worthless. their power
is evident to many religious, and if they are nonviolent in their
manner, they are doubly-valuable when they catalyze helpful change.

# You sound like you have no confidence in yourself or mankind.

to the contrary, I have a great deal of confidence. that is why I'd
suggest that the Formula of the Christ, depicted very wonderfully
in the various Jesus Tales (like Buddha's Jataka Tales), are of
inestimable value as examples of witnessing truth to the masses,
combined with refusal to submit to power brought to bear. surely
you likewise value the same characteristic in yourself and others
(courage for love). the principles of MKGandhi resonated likewise.

# Why are you so vague,

limited time and interest. pardon my brevity.

# elitist,

the fervor of initial post to which mine is a response may
encourages me to rant. :> I suggested anarchism, did I not?
this is because I don't believe that humans are the central
Pole Axis of species, and I don't believe that what you
referred to as "democracy" that you'd prefer to monarchy
would include any other species in control, few others
considered as represented for governance.

# and righteous sounding to us ignorant pooping pigeons.

because this is the manner of faithful witness before the masses,
sermonizing before the masses of pigeons gathered 'round, hands
outstretched, holding grain and listening to the wisdom of doves.
compare the better tales of Assisi's Francis.

# ...everyone needs a DEVIL in their life. ...[an] object of
# imperfection.... [something] redeem ...to [their] mansion
# of elitist righteousness....

shaitans are not often chosen, it seems. the God sometimes makes
shaitans even for the faithful followers, becoming one verily in
angelic manifestation.

# ...If you want to make a difference....

like farting in a thunderstorm?

# Yes, we need LAW and order to protect us from the meek, stupid,
# and envious ones with low self-esteems, respect for themselves
# or others. We need good old fashioned hangings and lever pulling
# executions for those who dare to fuck with our personal freedoms
# and liberties. Satanism reminds us of responsibility to the
# responsible and An eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth. The lex
# talionis is a law of equal and direct retribution, this is healthy
# and it is what we all want and call being FAIR and civil. We need
# some type of order. Democracy avoids the Hitlers. It isn't perfect,
# but it seems to work for most countries who adopt it....

human governments aren't sufficient for planetary dominion. they are
insufficiently accounting for the fictional state of ownership and
the unsustainability of reproduction and consumption rates.

# ...I am meant for your pleasure and you are meant for mine....

no animal or plant outside the direction of clearly conscious
beings (as in farming or cloning) is "meant for" anything at
all. some species may be adapted to certain tasks or behaviours,
climes and conditions. I am no more for your pleasure than
I am for grinding up into hamburger meat. we're not designed,
and my parents didn't plan or intend me for any special aim,
including your pleasure or someone else's Happy Meal.

# ...have you been watching to much of Soylent Green?
# Yucky! In a dog eat dog world the last guy standing is alone.
# I want to preserve myself and others for my own happiness and
# selfish reasons.

excellent enjoyables, primary preservatives! your selfishness
is your SALVATION, blessed beast! and Soylent Green is PEOPLE FOOD!

# Why be a shivering poodle to the reality of NATURE and snuff
# yourself out like a yellow bellied wimp?

no way, you tell 'em! the snuffing out of oneself ought to be a
GLORIOUS cavalcade, a SUPERIOR send-off, and ECSTATIC EMBRACE
of death, happy, wonderful, welcomed, death. before that time,
work for the revolution of species, O My Chosen, on to glory!

# ...I agree with your voluntary sterilization and the reward
# system a 100%. ....

such voluntary methods will only be possible for one or two
generations of humans maximum. after that, licensing will
certainly become urgently needed, negative pop-growth engaged
or the inevitable calamities bring forth quick compliance.

# ...End of rant, lol. Nothing personal, look forward to
# hearing more of everyone's thoughts. It's all a learning
# experience. Hail Satan!!!

assuredly. your enthusiasm is welcome and your spirit admirable.

blessed beast!

boboroshi at-sign satanservice.org: Satanic Outreach Director
Church of Euthanasia: http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/
TOKUS WEBLINKS: http://dmoz.org/Bookmarks/B/boboroshi/
Ninth Scholar's Library (Satanism Archive): http://www.satanservice.org/