Discussion:
for Harry and Tyagi
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Tani Jantsang ©
2004-12-19 22:25:18 UTC
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Les stated categorically that Tim really wanted to expose the fascism under
his nose in the Church of Satan. It was everyone else that took it outside
of the Church of Satan itself and made an objective project out of it:
namely IS FASCISM SATANIC.

If anyone would like to have a peek at just one of the fascist things Tim
Stewart encountered within the Church of Satan, something that is not
hearsay and something which we feel can be put on here since the copyright
owner is presently incarcerated - here it is. Ygraine Gidney and her husband
William Gidney were going to perform this song and feature their "Auschwitz
Dancers." I think that the ADL put a stop to it. Nonetheless, they tried to
do it, announced they'd do it and this is published proof.

William Gidney, Priest in the Church of Satan. Ygraine Gidney, Priestess in
the Church of Satan

Sieg Heil!
Lyrics & Music Copyright (c) 1999 by William Gidney, aka Jesus of Borg
SH appears on all copies of Crucimilation released circa May 1st, 2000

Everybody line up/Everybody get in file/Sieg Heil!
Everybody Goose Step/Everybody scream:/"Sieg Heil!"

(Chorus)
Sieg Heil/All Hail/Sieg Heil/All Hail!

Wave your hands in the air/Like ya just don't care/Sieg Heil!

Moshers in the Pit/Surfing everywhere/Fists saluting to sky/
Shout without a care:/"Sieg Heil!"

When you put me in a box/And try to classify me/
I only break free/NO, you can't define me.

You say I'm an enigma/I dare you to define it/
You say you can't/But, I've refined it.

You say that I've got "Class"/Cuz I'm a Big Spender/
But it doesn't take poise/To be poisoned by the Tender.

On the Upper East Side/Like a Bee is to that Honey/
Drowning in a sea of that/Jewish money.

So, like the Happy Hater/Wear a smile/
Be an instigator/And scream:/"Sieg Heil!"

(Chorus)

Everybody line up/Everybody get in file/Sieg Heil!
Everybody Goose Step/Everybody scream:/"Sieg Heil!"

(Chorus)

Yeah, I'm down "MC"/On my Zyklon B.
Keeps a tripping on me/Like on LSD

Zyklon B./Like on PCP/
With the colors dancing free/On my Zyklon B.

Zyklon B./Tripping on me/
Won't you take/A shower with me?

Zyklon B.

(Chorus)

**********

Please note that it was Ygraine Gidney that got Gilmore to go look at Tim
Stewart's project. Need any more be said? No. Nothing more needs to be said.
Gilmore flipped out and went into reams of denial in his "large email to
Tim" because he knew damned well what was in his own organization - and he
had to have known damned well WHO IT WAS that asked him to nose into Tim's
Project - the wife of the man that wrote the ZIEG HEIL song.

Due to the over-reaction of Gilmore, using his clout against a man he knew
would cringe, due to the hysterics of some of the other members, and due to
the quality of Tim himself, the obeying little cringing coward, I, Tani
Jantsang, wrote this letter to Barton. (Dated June 30, 2000 - it's now UP
there).

Also, credit is now given for inspiration - as DUE you guys.

This is being put up here due to the nagging efforts of Bobo (aka Boboroshi,
Nagasiva, Tyagi, Sod of CoE, and etc) and Harry Lime (Tim or James Jordan)
of harrylimetv.com (porn site) who are trying very hard to switch things
around so that Peter Gilmore doesn't come off a blithering idiot or a
paranoid nutcase.

This is the original Project One (Is Fascism Satanic) as it was seen by
Peter Gilmore, after Ygraine Gidney (serially abused wife of Priest William
Gidney, recently incarcerated for child molestation) bugged him to go look
at it. It was up on his OWN website, a website he was supposed to have paid
to have made. The website was http://wolfathart.does.it. It is now gone.
Also included is the "rather large email" that Peter Gilmore chose to write
Tim Stewart after reading this, since this was available to be read.

And so forth - next come the essays in the ORDER IN WHICH they appeared -
and this IS what Gilmore had to have seen at Ygraine's insistence.

http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/projectone-orig.html

Considering that Harry Lime knows DAMNED well about all of this fascist
crap - and considering that he himself despised the lackey hierarchy, it is
MY opinion that he either consciously or UNconsciously provokes people to
EXPOSE his not-so-favorite organization - not with libel - but with REAL
PROOF - the published kind.

It is my opinion that Bobo, who admits to wanting to be "recognized" by this
Church of Satan, probably RESENTS them unconsciously for NOT recognizing him
and has a real attitude toward those that this organization DID recognize
(like me!). My letter to Barton, formerly private as hell - clearly shows
what MY stance was on June 30, 2002. It is a written notice to disassociate
their org from ALL our COPYRIGHT stuff, our sentences, our ideas.
--
Satanic Reds - Dark Tradition, Sat & Tan
Frames: http://satanicreds.says.it
Bookmark http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds
Michelet Satanism and Witchcraft http://home.wi.rr.com/lylythdotorg/
Dark Doctrines www.apodion.com/vad/
Guardians of Darkness http://geocities.com/go_darkness/index.html
Cthulhu Mythos:
http://.innsmouth.rules.it
http://lovecraft.shows.it
"Life is a wonder to be lived; not a problem to be solved."
-- TJ
Tani Jantsang ©
2004-12-19 22:34:32 UTC
Permalink
correction - June 30, 2000. "Disassociate NOW."
Post by Tani Jantsang ©
Les stated categorically that Tim really wanted to expose the fascism
under his nose in the Church of Satan. It was everyone else that took it
outside of the Church of Satan itself and made an objective project out of
it: namely IS FASCISM SATANIC.
If anyone would like to have a peek at just one of the fascist things Tim
Stewart encountered within the Church of Satan, something that is not
hearsay and something which we feel can be put on here since the copyright
owner is presently incarcerated - here it is. Ygraine Gidney and her
husband William Gidney were going to perform this song and feature their
"Auschwitz Dancers." I think that the ADL put a stop to it. Nonetheless,
they tried to do it, announced they'd do it and this is published proof.
William Gidney, Priest in the Church of Satan. Ygraine Gidney, Priestess
in the Church of Satan
Sieg Heil!
Lyrics & Music Copyright (c) 1999 by William Gidney, aka Jesus of Borg
SH appears on all copies of Crucimilation released circa May 1st, 2000
Everybody line up/Everybody get in file/Sieg Heil!
Everybody Goose Step/Everybody scream:/"Sieg Heil!"
(Chorus)
Sieg Heil/All Hail/Sieg Heil/All Hail!
Wave your hands in the air/Like ya just don't care/Sieg Heil!
Moshers in the Pit/Surfing everywhere/Fists saluting to sky/
Shout without a care:/"Sieg Heil!"
When you put me in a box/And try to classify me/
I only break free/NO, you can't define me.
You say I'm an enigma/I dare you to define it/
You say you can't/But, I've refined it.
You say that I've got "Class"/Cuz I'm a Big Spender/
But it doesn't take poise/To be poisoned by the Tender.
On the Upper East Side/Like a Bee is to that Honey/
Drowning in a sea of that/Jewish money.
So, like the Happy Hater/Wear a smile/
Be an instigator/And scream:/"Sieg Heil!"
(Chorus)
Everybody line up/Everybody get in file/Sieg Heil!
Everybody Goose Step/Everybody scream:/"Sieg Heil!"
(Chorus)
Yeah, I'm down "MC"/On my Zyklon B.
Keeps a tripping on me/Like on LSD
Zyklon B./Like on PCP/
With the colors dancing free/On my Zyklon B.
Zyklon B./Tripping on me/
Won't you take/A shower with me?
Zyklon B.
(Chorus)
**********
Please note that it was Ygraine Gidney that got Gilmore to go look at Tim
Stewart's project. Need any more be said? No. Nothing more needs to be
said. Gilmore flipped out and went into reams of denial in his "large
email to Tim" because he knew damned well what was in his own
organization - and he had to have known damned well WHO IT WAS that asked
him to nose into Tim's Project - the wife of the man that wrote the ZIEG
HEIL song.
Due to the over-reaction of Gilmore, using his clout against a man he knew
would cringe, due to the hysterics of some of the other members, and due
to the quality of Tim himself, the obeying little cringing coward, I, Tani
Jantsang, wrote this letter to Barton. (Dated June 30, 2000 - it's now UP
there).
Also, credit is now given for inspiration - as DUE you guys.
This is being put up here due to the nagging efforts of Bobo (aka
Boboroshi, Nagasiva, Tyagi, Sod of CoE, and etc) and Harry Lime (Tim or
James Jordan) of harrylimetv.com (porn site) who are trying very hard to
switch things around so that Peter Gilmore doesn't come off a blithering
idiot or a paranoid nutcase.
This is the original Project One (Is Fascism Satanic) as it was seen by
Peter Gilmore, after Ygraine Gidney (serially abused wife of Priest
William Gidney, recently incarcerated for child molestation) bugged him to
go look at it. It was up on his OWN website, a website he was supposed to
have paid to have made. The website was http://wolfathart.does.it. It is
now gone. Also included is the "rather large email" that Peter Gilmore
chose to write Tim Stewart after reading this, since this was available to
be read.
And so forth - next come the essays in the ORDER IN WHICH they appeared -
and this IS what Gilmore had to have seen at Ygraine's insistence.
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/projectone-orig.html
Considering that Harry Lime knows DAMNED well about all of this fascist
crap - and considering that he himself despised the lackey hierarchy, it
is MY opinion that he either consciously or UNconsciously provokes people
to EXPOSE his not-so-favorite organization - not with libel - but with
REAL PROOF - the published kind.
It is my opinion that Bobo, who admits to wanting to be "recognized" by
this Church of Satan, probably RESENTS them unconsciously for NOT
recognizing him and has a real attitude toward those that this
organization DID recognize (like me!). My letter to Barton, formerly
private as hell - clearly shows what MY stance was on June 30, 2002. It
is a written notice to disassociate their org from ALL our COPYRIGHT
stuff, our sentences, our ideas.
--
Satanic Reds - Dark Tradition, Sat & Tan
Frames: http://satanicreds.says.it
Bookmark http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds
Michelet Satanism and Witchcraft http://home.wi.rr.com/lylythdotorg/
Dark Doctrines www.apodion.com/vad/
Guardians of Darkness http://geocities.com/go_darkness/index.html
http://.innsmouth.rules.it
http://lovecraft.shows.it
"Life is a wonder to be lived; not a problem to be solved."
-- TJ
Kori Houghton
2004-12-20 02:27:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tani Jantsang ©
Les stated categorically that Tim really wanted to expose the fascism under
his nose in the Church of Satan. It was everyone else that took it outside
namely IS FASCISM SATANIC.
If anyone would like to have a peek at just one of the fascist things Tim
Stewart encountered within the Church of Satan, something that is not
hearsay and something which we feel can be put on here since the copyright
owner is presently incarcerated - here it is. Ygraine Gidney and her husband
William Gidney were going to perform this song and feature their "Auschwitz
Dancers." I think that the ADL put a stop to it. Nonetheless, they tried to
do it, announced they'd do it and this is published proof.
William Gidney, Priest in the Church of Satan. Ygraine Gidney,
Priestess in
Post by Tani Jantsang ©
the Church of Satan
Sieg Heil!
Lyrics & Music Copyright (c) 1999 by William Gidney, aka Jesus of Borg
SH appears on all copies of Crucimilation released circa May 1st, 2000
Everybody line up/Everybody get in file/Sieg Heil!
Everybody Goose Step/Everybody scream:/"Sieg Heil!"
Awwww, those copycats! Here's the original catchy satirical tune about
Nazis:

Germany was having trouble, what a sad, sad story
Needed a new leader to restore its former glory
Where, Oh where was he? Where could that man be?
We looked around and then we found
The man for you and me.
And now it's..

Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Deutschland is happy and gay
We're marching to a faster pace
Look out, here comes the master race

Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Winter for Poland and France
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Come on, Germans, go into your dance

I was born in Dusseldorf, and that is why they call me Rolf
Don't be stupid, be a smarty, come and join the Nazi party

Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Goosestep's the new step today
bombs falling from the skies again
Deutschland is on the rise again

Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Uboats are sailing once more

Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Means that soon we'll be going
We've got to be going
You know we'll be going to WAR!

Go to this site

http://www.ladyofthecake.com/mel/prod/prsounds.htm

and you can play it, sing along, whatever. Have to say the music is
better for doing the time step than parade step, but you can't have
everything I guess....

Grow up and get a life, Tani!

Luv,
Kori
Post by Tani Jantsang ©
(Chorus)
Sieg Heil/All Hail/Sieg Heil/All Hail!
Wave your hands in the air/Like ya just don't care/Sieg Heil!
Moshers in the Pit/Surfing everywhere/Fists saluting to sky/
Shout without a care:/"Sieg Heil!"
When you put me in a box/And try to classify me/
I only break free/NO, you can't define me.
You say I'm an enigma/I dare you to define it/
You say you can't/But, I've refined it.
You say that I've got "Class"/Cuz I'm a Big Spender/
But it doesn't take poise/To be poisoned by the Tender.
On the Upper East Side/Like a Bee is to that Honey/
Drowning in a sea of that/Jewish money.
So, like the Happy Hater/Wear a smile/
Be an instigator/And scream:/"Sieg Heil!"
(Chorus)
Everybody line up/Everybody get in file/Sieg Heil!
Everybody Goose Step/Everybody scream:/"Sieg Heil!"
(Chorus)
Yeah, I'm down "MC"/On my Zyklon B.
Keeps a tripping on me/Like on LSD
Zyklon B./Like on PCP/
With the colors dancing free/On my Zyklon B.
Zyklon B./Tripping on me/
Won't you take/A shower with me?
Zyklon B.
(Chorus)
**********
Please note that it was Ygraine Gidney that got Gilmore to go look at Tim
Stewart's project. Need any more be said? No. Nothing more needs to be said.
Gilmore flipped out and went into reams of denial in his "large email to
Tim" because he knew damned well what was in his own organization - and he
had to have known damned well WHO IT WAS that asked him to nose into Tim's
Project - the wife of the man that wrote the ZIEG HEIL song.
Due to the over-reaction of Gilmore, using his clout against a man he knew
would cringe, due to the hysterics of some of the other members, and due to
the quality of Tim himself, the obeying little cringing coward, I, Tani
Jantsang, wrote this letter to Barton. (Dated June 30, 2000 - it's now UP
there).
Also, credit is now given for inspiration - as DUE you guys.
This is being put up here due to the nagging efforts of Bobo (aka Boboroshi,
Nagasiva, Tyagi, Sod of CoE, and etc) and Harry Lime (Tim or James Jordan)
of harrylimetv.com (porn site) who are trying very hard to switch things
around so that Peter Gilmore doesn't come off a blithering idiot or a
paranoid nutcase.
This is the original Project One (Is Fascism Satanic) as it was seen by
Peter Gilmore, after Ygraine Gidney (serially abused wife of Priest William
Gidney, recently incarcerated for child molestation) bugged him to go look
at it. It was up on his OWN website, a website he was supposed to have paid
to have made. The website was http://wolfathart.does.it. It is now gone.
Also included is the "rather large email" that Peter Gilmore chose to write
Tim Stewart after reading this, since this was available to be read.
And so forth - next come the essays in the ORDER IN WHICH they
appeared -
Post by Tani Jantsang ©
and this IS what Gilmore had to have seen at Ygraine's insistence.
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/projectone-orig.html
Considering that Harry Lime knows DAMNED well about all of this fascist
crap - and considering that he himself despised the lackey hierarchy, it is
MY opinion that he either consciously or UNconsciously provokes people to
EXPOSE his not-so-favorite organization - not with libel - but with REAL
PROOF - the published kind.
It is my opinion that Bobo, who admits to wanting to be "recognized" by this
Church of Satan, probably RESENTS them unconsciously for NOT
recognizing him
Post by Tani Jantsang ©
and has a real attitude toward those that this organization DID recognize
(like me!). My letter to Barton, formerly private as hell - clearly shows
what MY stance was on June 30, 2002. It is a written notice to disassociate
their org from ALL our COPYRIGHT stuff, our sentences, our ideas.
--
Satanic Reds - Dark Tradition, Sat & Tan
Frames: http://satanicreds.says.it
Bookmark http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds
Michelet Satanism and Witchcraft http://home.wi.rr.com/lylythdotorg/
Dark Doctrines www.apodion.com/vad/
Guardians of Darkness http://geocities.com/go_darkness/index.html
http://.innsmouth.rules.it
http://lovecraft.shows.it
"Life is a wonder to be lived; not a problem to be solved."
-- TJ
Harry Lime
2004-12-20 02:49:21 UTC
Permalink
Dear Kori:

Please see inside text:

<mega snip>

Awwww, those copycats! Here's the original catchy satirical tune about
Nazis:

Gotta say, "The Producers" is my all time favorite comedy.

Germany was having trouble, what a sad, sad story
Needed a new leader to restore its former glory
Where, Oh where was he? Where could that man be?
We looked around and then we found
The man for you and me.
And now it's..

Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Deutschland is happy and gay
We're marching to a faster pace
Look out, here comes the master race

Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Winter for Poland and France
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Come on, Germans, go into your dance

I was born in Dusseldorf, and that is why they call me Rolf
Don't be stupid, be a smarty, come and join the Nazi party

Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Goosestep's the new step today
bombs falling from the skies again
Deutschland is on the rise again

Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Uboats are sailing once more

Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Means that soon we'll be going
We've got to be going
You know we'll be going to WAR!

Go to this site

http://www.ladyofthecake.com/mel/prod/prsounds.htm

and you can play it, sing along, whatever. Have to say the music is
better for doing the time step than parade step, but you can't have
everything I guess....

Grow up and get a life, Tani!

Yeah, like that's ever going to happen.

Regards,

Harry Lime
www.harrylime.biz

Luv,
Kori
Post by Tani Jantsang ©
(Chorus)
Sieg Heil/All Hail/Sieg Heil/All Hail!
Wave your hands in the air/Like ya just don't care/Sieg Heil!
Moshers in the Pit/Surfing everywhere/Fists saluting to sky/
Shout without a care:/"Sieg Heil!"
When you put me in a box/And try to classify me/
I only break free/NO, you can't define me.
You say I'm an enigma/I dare you to define it/
You say you can't/But, I've refined it.
You say that I've got "Class"/Cuz I'm a Big Spender/
But it doesn't take poise/To be poisoned by the Tender.
On the Upper East Side/Like a Bee is to that Honey/
Drowning in a sea of that/Jewish money.
So, like the Happy Hater/Wear a smile/
Be an instigator/And scream:/"Sieg Heil!"
(Chorus)
Everybody line up/Everybody get in file/Sieg Heil!
Everybody Goose Step/Everybody scream:/"Sieg Heil!"
(Chorus)
Yeah, I'm down "MC"/On my Zyklon B.
Keeps a tripping on me/Like on LSD
Zyklon B./Like on PCP/
With the colors dancing free/On my Zyklon B.
Zyklon B./Tripping on me/
Won't you take/A shower with me?
Zyklon B.
(Chorus)
**********
Please note that it was Ygraine Gidney that got Gilmore to go look at Tim
Stewart's project. Need any more be said? No. Nothing more needs to be said.
Gilmore flipped out and went into reams of denial in his "large email to
Tim" because he knew damned well what was in his own organization - and he
had to have known damned well WHO IT WAS that asked him to nose into Tim's
Project - the wife of the man that wrote the ZIEG HEIL song.
Due to the over-reaction of Gilmore, using his clout against a man he knew
would cringe, due to the hysterics of some of the other members, and due to
the quality of Tim himself, the obeying little cringing coward, I, Tani
Jantsang, wrote this letter to Barton. (Dated June 30, 2000 - it's now UP
there).
Also, credit is now given for inspiration - as DUE you guys.
This is being put up here due to the nagging efforts of Bobo (aka Boboroshi,
Nagasiva, Tyagi, Sod of CoE, and etc) and Harry Lime (Tim or James Jordan)
of harrylimetv.com (porn site) who are trying very hard to switch things
around so that Peter Gilmore doesn't come off a blithering idiot or a
paranoid nutcase.
This is the original Project One (Is Fascism Satanic) as it was seen by
Peter Gilmore, after Ygraine Gidney (serially abused wife of Priest William
Gidney, recently incarcerated for child molestation) bugged him to go look
at it. It was up on his OWN website, a website he was supposed to have paid
to have made. The website was http://wolfathart.does.it. It is now gone.
Also included is the "rather large email" that Peter Gilmore chose to write
Tim Stewart after reading this, since this was available to be read.
And so forth - next come the essays in the ORDER IN WHICH they
appeared -
Post by Tani Jantsang ©
and this IS what Gilmore had to have seen at Ygraine's insistence.
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/projectone-orig.html
Considering that Harry Lime knows DAMNED well about all of this fascist
crap - and considering that he himself despised the lackey hierarchy, it is
MY opinion that he either consciously or UNconsciously provokes people to
EXPOSE his not-so-favorite organization - not with libel - but with REAL
PROOF - the published kind.
It is my opinion that Bobo, who admits to wanting to be "recognized" by this
Church of Satan, probably RESENTS them unconsciously for NOT
recognizing him
Post by Tani Jantsang ©
and has a real attitude toward those that this organization DID recognize
(like me!). My letter to Barton, formerly private as hell - clearly shows
what MY stance was on June 30, 2002. It is a written notice to disassociate
their org from ALL our COPYRIGHT stuff, our sentences, our ideas.
--
Satanic Reds - Dark Tradition, Sat & Tan
Frames: http://satanicreds.says.it
Bookmark http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds
Michelet Satanism and Witchcraft http://home.wi.rr.com/lylythdotorg/
Dark Doctrines www.apodion.com/vad/
Guardians of Darkness http://geocities.com/go_darkness/index.html
http://.innsmouth.rules.it
http://lovecraft.shows.it
"Life is a wonder to be lived; not a problem to be solved."
-- TJ
Tani Jantsang ©
2004-12-20 03:31:15 UTC
Permalink
HEY, nice try, ho. Nice DROOOOOOL too, while yer at it, you jumped on it
like white on snow, like a good little slave. You must be REALLY concerned,
HA HAAAAAAAA.

The ADL didn't stop the Producers from being made, however - or put them on
their SHIT list. HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Spin it all ya like - as if you are NOT interested or concerned
(BWHAHAHAHA).

Karla is the only LEGIT inheritor of the LaVey Tradition. The rest of them
are a bunch of shitfaces riding on his coat tails.

Loading Image...

That ensured that they can not ride on OUR coat tails - BWHAHAHAHA. Shit, I
broke a promise on that one. Oh well - PRIVATE whatever - even the fucking
CIA shit eventually ain't private. SO WHAT?



"Kori Houghton" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:***@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com.

BIG SNIP. ..

No, Tani babbled in response to BO BO and BIMBO babbling cos cos cos.

Now kindly take your lil thingy with the batteries, shove them up BO BO's
ass - and sing SPRINGTIME FOR SHITLER for him and Cat. Go ahead and do
that.

In case I don't manage to catch your shit - have a MERRY CHRISTMAS, you
fucking ho ho ho. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
Dagon Productions
2004-12-20 04:18:59 UTC
Permalink
Heh... the only one drooling and slobbering all over the place is you
trani... you've
turned a simple inquiry by Tyagi in to a week long, multiple posting bit
of kookdom
on your part.

Ha, you don't care about the CoS... no one posts this damn much on a
subject,
calls people associated with the situations brought up, etc. if they
don't care...
deny it all you want but your own words and posts betray that which you can
not objectively see about yourself... and with such a sad ability to be
objective
about your own behavior how can we expect that you can be objective about
anything else. I can't and no one with at least two brain cells between
their
ears would be able to either.

So yammer, drool and slobber some more about the CoS that you don't
care about... each post just makes you look like the moron you are trani.

-Douglas
Post by Tani Jantsang ©
HEY, nice try, ho. Nice DROOOOOOL too, while yer at it, you jumped on it
like white on snow, like a good little slave. You must be REALLY concerned,
HA HAAAAAAAA.
The ADL didn't stop the Producers from being made, however - or put them on
their SHIT list. HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Spin it all ya like - as if you are NOT interested or concerned
(BWHAHAHAHA).
Karla is the only LEGIT inheritor of the LaVey Tradition. The rest of them
are a bunch of shitfaces riding on his coat tails.
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/ltr-to-barton.jpg
That ensured that they can not ride on OUR coat tails - BWHAHAHAHA. Shit, I
broke a promise on that one. Oh well - PRIVATE whatever - even the fucking
CIA shit eventually ain't private. SO WHAT?
BIG SNIP. ..
No, Tani babbled in response to BO BO and BIMBO babbling cos cos cos.
Now kindly take your lil thingy with the batteries, shove them up BO BO's
ass - and sing SPRINGTIME FOR SHITLER for him and Cat. Go ahead and do
that.
In case I don't manage to catch your shit - have a MERRY CHRISTMAS, you
fucking ho ho ho. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
--
**********************************************
Dagon Productions
Chaos Magick & Occult books
http://www.dagonproductions.com
***@dagonproductions.com
Tani Jantsang ©
2004-12-20 05:41:01 UTC
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Not a simple inquiry. A heaviy attempt to doctor up the actual events - with
you and the other castratos chiming in all over it, cluttering up the place.
And so I decided to CLUTTER up the place too - for the hell of it.

Tani. Egan, Trani. Les blah blah. things happened WHEN they happaned - and
no amount of spinning around the facts can change them. Nice to know tho,
for the record, that Boboroshi likes FASCISTS and will make excuses for
them. Nice to know that. Anyone seeing that and thinking what Peter did
was logical is a nutcase or a nazi lover.

After Tony died - the whole joke became a fascist club. Jeff zigging the
ADL on them changed that fast. End of story.

It wasn't that when Tony was alive. But after he died - heh, I denied them
the legal right to use OUR STUFF - and that dear boy, all went down first.
They can have their retards, their fascists, their pedophile priests (hurry
hurry, quick, kick them out fast) and their abuse victims - and other types
that suck up to that abomination called Peggy and her sonny boy. All you and
your boys got is libel. And yes, it's very very tired - but at least I had
a good laugh reading Tim's originals.
Post by Dagon Productions
Heh... the only one drooling and slobbering all over the place is you
snip.

He yapped.
SOD of the CoE
2004-12-22 08:19:12 UTC
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You are "from" that false light thing. Enemy.
Oh yeah, any detractors are just eeevvvillll. Tani's outside the Xian
influence, but uses the "false light" reference which is a decidedly
Judeo-Christian term. Too funny.

A lot of pseudo-mystical newage jargon, demonstrating that a
know-nothing con-artist posing as a religious leader fears exposure.

black-white, left-right, red-white-blue?

Hmmmm, what are these links, really?

http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/clearair.html

Tani has a cyberspace temper tantrum when Bobo fails to realize that
her 'satanism' is the only real deal, and she is its profit (pun
intended).

Sat-Tanism. get it right. it's superscience from Hypervedanta.

http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/titles.html

Tani shows that all the titles she's received are central to her
faux-satanic internet scam, otherwise why compose such a long rant
about something (supposedly) meaningless. She uses these titles
(including her revoked COS Mag title) to establish the *appearance* of
qualification and credibility for her online screeds promoting her own
orgs and her current handlers, while manufacturing dirt to throw at the
competition.

I don't have much knowledge about occult organizations. Have you ever heard
of the other groups that Tani claims to have received titles from? Reads
more like the silly Photoshopped crap she posted about the "SSS" and her
driver's license. Remember those?

or NKVD

http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/projectone-orig.html

Kee-rap. Some articles are well-meaning, and even readable -- but
pointless all the same. Others are side-splitingly funny classic SR
k00krants. Proof positive that Gilmore, whatever his human failings,
has a functioning brain...more than can be said for Tani&co LOLOL

Here's a fun one "FASCISM AND THE SO-CALLED OCCULT, BY PHILIP MARSH (Cos
Honorary non-member Magister)."
Talk about schizoid: "Honorary and non-member Magister." LOL.

http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/ltr-to-barton.jpg

"You can't kick me out, I quit"? Nope. Not realizing that the COS had
moved on from peddling the snake oil of the DDocs, Tani attempts to
strong-arm COS leadership into playing Tani's game....she throws all
her winnings into the pot and comes out with nothing LMAO, and LMAO.

http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/brendanspeaks.html

This is a comic treasure. Tani (being, in her words, "beyond
hypocrisy") legitimizes alt.satanism and usenet by cutting and pasting
alt.s posts to her webpages, removing the context of the thread(s) one
can find in the archives. Excellent advertisement for alt.s and
usenet!

http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/aquinospeaks.html

Tani and her current handler org engaged in mutual grooming. Not
unexpected that Aquino saw no problem in having Tani speak for the TOS
-- she is probably the only person left on usenet still pushing the
Presidio legend.

so Aquino is handling her for the feds? you got proof?

http://www.geocities.com/bartonletters/

An edited archive, censored to protect the interests of her current
handlers.
THERE IS NOTHING MORE TO SAY OR EXPLAIN
"Talk to the hand, talk to the hand." LOL. We'll see how long this tact
lasts. Maybe it'll get her and her drones to create their own moderated
newsgroup? I think not.

they never did before. it was always Tani and the drones.

Maybe so. Someone seeking info on the SRs/related orgs should just
print out the texts at these links, and use that info to 'get to know
you'. Probably more of substance there than in the DDocs, and they all
show you and your gang at their LHP Yinning best.

Funny how the biggest portion of her Geocities website are pages that try to
explain her behavior.

Regards,

Harry Lime
www.harrylime.biz

Luv,
Kori

tah,
Bobo
========================================================================

...The COS modern day stance on drugs has more to
do with "social rot." Aside from that, the TOS
is even stricter and THEY WILL turn you into the
DEA as far as I know, or the cops if you break the
law. But your subject heading didn't say "TOS ON
DRUGS."

Once again: yawn.

Magistra Tani Jantsang

"May the Dark Forces within and without you bring
you increase." -- A.S.LaVey
--------------------------------------------------
using 'Magistra' in her sig;

SVsite <***@my-deja.com>
Subj: Bleary on Drugs
Date: 2000/05/08
Message-ID: <8f5uko$hp9$***@nnrp1.deja.com>
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----
"I wanna fuck Michael, I hate Zeena." - Tani Jantsang, 2003
"Harry Lime" <***@harrylimetv.com> writes:

Dear Kori:

Please see inside text:
Tani Jantsang ©
2004-12-22 11:18:00 UTC
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PHOTOSHOPPED? For fuck's sakes, I actually have those cards still - and the
PHOTO is from the freaking 70s. Old letters too. You are seriously
GRASPING here.

Want to know sequence of events? Relevance? I wrote some of that JUST FOR
THE IDIOTS.

http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/projectone-orig.html
THERE IS NOTHING MORE TO SAY OR EXPLAIN

Don't like being treated like one, hey?
Post by SOD of the CoE
I don't have much knowledge about occult organizations. Have you ever heard
of the other groups that Tani claims to have received titles from? Reads
more like the silly Photoshopped crap she posted about the "SSS" and her
driver's license. Remember those?
PHOTOSHOPPED? You proved you are a COMPLETE idiot, just now. right, you
never heard of the org that's in Lucifer Rising talking DDocs. Proves you
are kinda like Tim - you don't like BOOKS, LMAO.
Since I can't tell what YOU said versus what the castrati brigade (Harry
drones?) are say ing - I'm snipping.

You never heard of. Yeah but ya HEARD OF the adl - just heard of it .
godDAMN you have turned out to be STUPID.

The project one info that was at the end (about Tim) and out of date
sequence order - has been moved up front, made SUPER simple - for SUPER
simpletons.

Go ahead and spin - but do not EVER try to convince yourself that you ask
people sincere questions with a desire for sincere answers. NEVER do that.

HERE:
This is being put up here due to the nagging efforts of Bobo (aka Boboroshi,
Nagasiva, Tyagi, Sod of CoE, and etc) and Harry Lime (Tim or James Jordan)
of harrylimetv.com (porn site), who are trying very hard to switch things
around so that Peter Gilmore doesn't come off a blithering idiot or a
paranoid nutcase for writing what some of us think is an insane email to
Timothy Stewart Epperhart.
Basically, to summarize up front:

Who is Tim? In 2000, Timothy Stewart Epperhart was a 20 year old Church of
Satan active member that was also a member of the Davis couple's "Satanic
Combat Sciences." He was also known as Wolf at Hart and Citizen Stewart.

First of all, Tim Stewart Epperhart saw this essay, as did everyone in the
Church of Satan that was online. It was a short essay written by Peggy
Nadramia (at the time, she was part of the Council of Nine [two people] of
the Church of Satan; now she's the High Priestess of the Church of Satan).
Here is her essay; I have no idea when she wrote this:

SATANISM, NAZISM AND FASCISM, BY PEGGY NADRAMIA

The last time I talked to Boyd, we discussed our Barbie collections. Some
Nazi.

Here's how Nazism and fascism fit into Satanism, as I see it:

1. You're already a Satanist, the most evil being the status quo could ever
imagine. Why the hell do you care if they call you a Nazi? Is there a Good
Guy Badge stuck to one of your old suits? Go check your closet.

2. Nazism scares people. Satan scares people. Some Satanists like to scare
people, so they dress in Nazi fashion and have fun goose-stepping down the
strasse. B.F.D. [BFD = Big Fucking Deal. ed.]

3. Satanists see nature as a dark force, a very fascist force, within them
and without them. When you hear them talking about fascism, they are often
thinking of what I can only call "deep fascism," not political fascism. I
agree with the assertion that a Libertarian society would be the best one
for Satanists, from a political perspective, but we also have a lot of
opinions about the social structure of a Satanic society. Would we be "free"
to enslave ourselves to each other, if that's how we wanted to live? While
Libertarianism might rule the land, Satanists may choose to live in tribal
settings that are internally very Communistic or Socialistic. For example, I
wouldn't mind "working for the good of others" as long as the "others" were
of my choosing, my tribe of loved ones.

4. Nazism, like the image of the Arch Demon, appeals to the young because it
embodies strength and control to those who have little of either in their
lives. They'll get over it.

5. It's a fashion trend.

6. "The plague of Nazism" is being trumped-up by those who would choose to
drive a wedge between us, disperse us and weaken us. Don't let them do it.
Lighten up.

********************

Obviously, long before I ever got online, this essay was written by Peggy
Nadramia and she was specifically addressing people who were calling this a
"plague of Nazism." She is also obviously disagreeing with the anti-Nazis.
To this day, I have no idea who she was addressing this to, but it must have
been online stuff or things written in magazines that I never saw. I also
never heard about any of this from people I did sort of know in the COS,
such as Ole Wolf or Hr. Vad. In fact, this essay Peggy wrote was on Hr.
Vad's website when I first saw it! So, as that stands, no one in the
Prometheus Grotto (a COS grotto, which Hr. Vad ran at the time) was
complaining about it or it wouldn't have been up on Hr. Vad's site.

So, Tim tried to get essays from others reading the Church of Satan's
message board and from their chatroom (at the time, #satannet) on the
subject of fascism and satanism, or fascism in satanism.

As we later found out, when he actually got some essays and talked more
openly on the phone, on voice chat and on irc, he got picked on and abused,
even threatened. He had logs of this and wrote a letter of complaint to
Peggy about it, obviously either getting no response, or he never mentioned
getting one. He was told to shut up, go read Mein Kampf (Adolf Hitler's
book), watch his back, and so forth.

Next, he posted a few things he wrote on this subject on alt.satanism, but
got no responses. These two things happened a few months apart.

Next, even months later, he came into our chatroom #satanmuse and asked COS
members that were in our chatroom and asked me to help him get essays (he
saw me as a Mag in the COS). What I can honestly say is that I immediately
thought of the occult movements in the Third Reich when he broached the
subject, and thought it would be interesting. Tim, at this time, did not
mention anything about the abuse he suffered. He just asked for essays about
"fascism and satanism." No one knew, at this time,if he was in favor of it
or against it, and he didn't say one way or the other. On hindsight, one
might assume he didn't say much in order to avoid potentially getting abused
again.

So he got these essays, which are shown below, from some people and put them
on a website he owned. He had many more, but they were not on his website
because he neglected to pay the web designer the money promised for the
work. (Jacqueline Davis later paid his debt for him, out of a sense of
honor.) So, the ones shown below are the ones he had on his website - and
these are the essays Peter Gilmore had to have seen before writing Tim that
long email.

Then, Ygraine Gidney got Peter Gilmore (Peggy Nadramia's husband) to read
his website and send him a long email (shown below with nothing edited). In
tight with Ygraine Gidney were her husband, William Gidney (Jesus of Borg)
and John and Jacqueline Davis (John Davis was also known as Xloptuny). COS
Magister Jeff Nagy and his wife were sort of in tight with the Gidneys and
Davises, too. It is possible that Lestad Ventrue was also in tight with
them, along with a few others. I do not know, but Ventrue was the person who
owned the "Letters to the Devil" COS message board.

Tim felt threatened by the email Peter Gilmore sent him and said so to quite
a few people. He was terrified of being thrown out of the Church of Satan
and admitted that. He was kicked out of the Satanic Combat Sciences when one
of the essays he got (but never used) was written by FCOS Magister Les
Masters. (The FCOS was Lord Egan's group, at the time the Number One Enemy
of the Church of Satan).

When trying to defend himself against the email Peter Gilmore sent him, he
tried to hide behind me (Tani Jantsang) but that didn't go well, either. He
also tried to accuse me of handing his essays to Audy Morgan to edit the
things he wrote, however Audy Morgan had no clue that any of this essay
collection was even going on. Two COS members and Casey edited the
Introduction and Commentary Tim wrote, with Tim on the phone approving of
all of it and simply stating what he wished to say in plain language
(instead of trying to write an intellectual essay).

Well, after trying to hide behind my apron strings due to the "rather large"
email Gilmore wrote him, he "forget" that he wrote his own intro and
commentary - despite the fact that these were posted on alt.satanism by him
before anyone giving him essays bothered with it, including me. He kowtowed
to the very thing he had been bitching about.

Next, he got into a few flames with me over it - whereas I did nothing but
get him essays that he asked for. After that or during that, John Davis (of
that Satanic Combat Science thing) killed himself. Peter Gilmore wrote a
tribute to the man complete with a "raised arm" salute, as if suicide was
some honorable thing he did.

Next, he wrote something "out of this world" about publishing everyone's
essays in a book and sending them a thank you note for it. He didn't know
what royalties were. In other words, he was going to publish these people's
essays as his own work. That resulted in every single person denying him the
right to have their essays at all and asking me to put them on a website.
Keep in mind, I still held the title of Mag in the COS when they asked me to
do this. Well, the only websites I could put them on would be our own SR
website or on Hr. Vad's website. None of these were in html format and no
one, at that time, had a little program that could just DO the html (like
Dreamweaver or Frontpage). Eventually all of the essays and even more that I
got, ended up on the SR website. "Sir Chaos" was the only one that insisted
that Tim keep his essay with Tim's own original writings and let them "stand
or fall on their own." Sir Chaos, who also got a headache trying to read
what Tim wrote, knew that it would fall. Sir Chaos's essay is not on the SR
website. Tim's website, http://wolfathart.does.it is long gone. He never
continued to pay for it.

Next, possibly in 2001, Tim Stewart apologized to me (I am not a forgiving
person). He also admitted he was scared by Gilmore's large email, he
admitted that to Jacqueline Davis and to me. (I am not a forgiving person,
and I despise people that would be "scared" by such foolishness.)

Next, (definitely in 2001) Tim ran to Les Masters, the Magister of Lord
Egan's First Church of Satan. Tim didn't know if he wanted to be gay or
straight or just continue to be bisexual, but with Les he was a gay lover.
Tim moved out of his parent's home and moved in with Les Masters. They lived
together quite some time, a few years. At that time, Tim was "so over the
COS" and "none of that mattered anymore" and "he had a misconception." He
didn't seem to even have a conception that he should "feel something" about
what he had done, including the way he tried to rip off a person he
commissioned to make a website for him; nor did he seem to care that
Jacqueline Davis paid off his debts for him.

Next, Les Masters quit the FCOS and joined the SR org. Tim, of course, did
not (nor would he have been welcome after what he had done).

It was quickly evident, according to Les, that Tim, who didn't even have a
G.E.D., could not hold a job - any job. Tim has severe ADHD, according to
Les Masters.

The last I heard from Les (2004), Tim is trying to get SSI for disability.
Tim is doing OK with his band.

Les stated categorically (in a conversation in 2004), that Tim really wanted
to expose the fascism under his nose in the Church of Satan. It was everyone
else that took it outside of the Church of Satan itself and made an
objective project out of it: namely, "IS FASCISM SATANIC?"

Another favorite line of these people that are "curious about all this so
long after it happened" is to focus on what Les said about his lover and
focus on the unreadable intro and commentary that Tim wrote. That was Tim
trying to be "intellectual" and failing miserably. Hardly anyone could even
read what he had to say there - and it took two COS members and Casey to try
to figure out what he was saying, paragraph by paragraph. Casey rewrote it
first and it ended up being two small paragraphs basically asking, "Is
fascism satanic?" Tim didn't like that. Finally, they just ASKED him what he
wanted to say. So piece by piece, paragraph by paragraph, it got rewritten
for Tim, but he approved it every step of the way - the words were his own
spoken words. (I had absolutely NOTHING to do with editing or rewording a
single sentence of what he wrote - I got a headache trying to read it and
gave up and I was in no mood to take dictation over a telephone from him).

The fact is, "Morganne" (Norma, COS Grotto Master at the time) spoke to Tim
Stewart quite a lot and he had no problem saying, speaking, what he wanted
to say about his Project or anything else he was interested in. I spoke to
him too, a little bit, and saw no sign that he did not know what he wanted
to say. He simply questioned the thing Peggy Nadramia wrote about, "a
fascist ideal and fascist mystique in satanism," he questioned the things he
was running into - all of which were pro fascist and about some "ideal" or
"mystique." He disagreed with that and wanted to show that fascism is not
Satanic. That's about it. He didn't have "scrambled brains" as the current
spin doctors would have it, at all.

He didn't know there were bona fide openly fascist/Nazi Satanic orgs out
there at all. He didn't know about Jeff DeBoo, the anti-fascist par
excellence of satanism. He didn't know about occultism in the Third Reich.
He knew what he ran into and he wanted that questioned. It was all that
simple. Keep in mind, he ran into it head on. The people he talked to and
got essays from apparently did not.

What was his High School level idea of "fascism?" It was relatively very
simple: a bunch of fascists called Nazis wanting to conquer the whole world
and make everyone the same as themselves, not individuals. Fascist Nazis
killed people who were different, different religion or race, and called
them inferior. Fascist Nazis murdered gay people (Tim was openly bisexual
and extremely hostile to any hint of homophobia). Tim had no problem
communicating these ideas, very basis ideas. Tim also had no problem using
an extreme leftist line when I mentioned "black racism is like Nazi
mentality and they are also anti Jewish in the Nation of Islam" or "gay
anti-straight people." His idea was that, "They are a persecuted minority,
therefore they can not be racist." That simple and that firmly stated. He
did not know the difference between "national socialism" and "fascism" but
then most people don't know that either.

As for Tim's ADHD or ADD, I have this to say based on first hand
observation. Tim had NO problem keeping on subject for hours when he was
talking about what he WANTED to talk about. He had no problem paying
attention for hours when he was hearing something he WANTED to hear about.
Tim is a musician and has no problem with that or with practicing music
(which takes patience and discipline and focus). He doesn't like the menial
jobs he got. Tim has no problem tuning something out and even getting
amnesia about the thing (or pretending to get that) when he doesn't want to
be bothered with something, or own up to something he did. However, Tim had
no problem remembering exactly what he did and apologizing to me for what he
did. I don't think Tim has ADD or ADHD. I think Tim doesn't want to WORK in
a menial job; or maybe doesn't want to work at all. That simple.

********************

If anyone would like to have a peek at just a few of the fascist things Tim
Stewart encountered within the Church of Satan, something that is not
hearsay and something that we feel can be put on here since the copyright
owner is presently incarcerated - here it is. Ygraine Gidney and her husband
William Gidney were going to perform this song and feature their "Auschwitz
Dancers." Ygraine Gidney is a serially abused woman, abused by both first
and second husband. The second husband, William Gidney, was incarcerated on
child molestation charges.

I think that the ADL put a stop to this performance. Nonetheless, they tried
to do it, announced they'd do it and this is published proof.

William Gidney, Priest in the Church of Satan. Ygraine Gidney, Priestess in
the Church of Satan

Sieg Heil!
Lyrics & Music Copyright (c) 1999 by William Gidney, aka Jesus of Borg
SH appears on all copies of Crucimilation released circa May 1st, 2000

snip words

--------------------

The ADL of the B'nai B'rith, a Jewish organization, did not think this song,
or the "Auschwitz Dancers" that were going to dance to it, were a joke. Not
at all. Please note that the ADL B'nai B'rith never had a problem with the
movie,"The Producers."

********************

Tim also ran into this:

John Raptis of the "600 Club" asked COS Magister Jeff Nagy this question in
an interview:
"Do you see fascism as an integral role of Satanism?"

Magister Nagy's answered:
"You mean like the strong subjugating the weak? Hell yes I do! One might as
well ask,'do you see fascism alive in nature?' Of course you do. There is no
equality anywhere on the planet, and with that, there are strong entities
and weak one's. People should read 'Might is Right' by Ragnar Redbeard for
examples of fascism and inequality in action. Nature is defined by strength,
humanity by weakness. Non combative beings make no progress. Fascism is the
introduction of Primal Law!"

---------- NOT GOOD ENOUGH, EH?

Talk about scrambled brains, Jeff Nagy doesn't have a clue about what he is
talking about, he doesn't have a clue about what meritocracy is, or that
it's absolutely not fascist. He doesn't have a clue that "egalitarianism"
has nothing to do with sameness, but has to do with having an equal chance
in the USA's meritocracy! He doesn't have a clue what constitutes
biologically "strong" or "weak" organisms and obviously he doesn't have a
clue that "fitness" is defined by the organisms left with descendents. He
clearly has no knowledge of cooperative strategies that are more prevalent
in nature than competitive strategies. And he'd clearly see how "strong"
parasitic strategies, which seem "weak," are highly strategic when it comes
to survival, since they are clearly under his big, fat, white-man's nose
living on welfare and breeding like rabbits. He also doesn't seem to realize
that big strong powerful dinosaurs were wiped out by a single random event
having nothing to do with survival strategies! I.e., bad luck! And that, due
to that, weak little primates rose into prominence! Mr. Nagy is so confused
that it would be futile to try to unconfuse him with objective facts. This
is a man, Mr. Nagy, that Anton LaVey personally knew and handed a Magister
title to.

What Tim has to say, with his common sense words against fascism shows a
brain a lot keener than Mr. Nagy's.

********************

This is the original Project One (Is Fascism Satanic) as it was seen by
Peter Gilmore, after Ygraine Gidney bugged him to go look at it.

snip all the essays

Now, the above, all of it including possibly this essay "The Beasts," which
was edited out due to irrelevance, is what Peter Gilmore had to have seen,
there can be absooutely no doubt about it - that is what was up on Tim
Stewart's website and what Tim Stewart posted on the COS bulletin board and
on alt.satanism quite a few times.

So, THAT is what Peter Gilmore is responding to Tim about and reacting to.
I personally fail to see why anyone would over react to it that way, unless
they were on the extreme defensive.

If Peggy Nadramia sees the anti-fascists "over reacting" to the fascist
ideal SHE is talking about in the COS and ok-ing, - then why would anyone
react to Tim's project when, as everyone else understod it, it had to do
with ALL Satanism, not just one organization. Certainly, that's what those
essays prove everyone thought.

Les Masters, Tim's lover, insists that Tim's actual intent was to go after
the fascists in ONE organization, the COS. But as it is clear from the
essays people wrote and from email answers Tim Stewart got, including my
answers to him, no one else thought it meant that at all.

********************

End of story, there is nothing more to it - except perhaps a few mentions?
Yes, a few mentions would do.

********************

Please note that it was Ygraine Gidney that got Gilmore to go look at Tim
Stewart's project. Need any more be said? No. Nothing more needs to be said.
Gilmore flipped out and went into reams of denial in his "large email to
Tim," because he knew damned well what was in his own organization - and he
had to have known damned well WHO IT WAS that asked him to nose into Tim's
Project - the wife of the man that wrote the ZIEG HEIL song, the woman with
her Auschwitz Dancers who Oz, an African American Temple of Set member,
referred to as a blatant racist when Ygraine was in the Temple of Set. Both
Ygraine and William Gidney joined the ToSet when Anton LaVey kicked William
Gidney out of the COS. Peter Gilmore reinstated him and Ygraine into the COS
and gave them Priesthoods. Next, the abuse came out and he ended up in jail
for child molestation.

Please note that Magister Jeff Nagy was "Liz Dictator" and liked to throw
his weight around openly bitching and moaning about how the satannet
chatroom no longer had that fascist feel to it. This is what Tim ran head on
into.

Here is a log and a trace of just who Liz Dictator is, and here, in this
"Private Message" given to Sir Chaos by "Iron Will" of the COS - we get to
find out who more fascists are in the Church of Satan - and this was a
private message, no one was joking:

"trocar" was known to be Jeff Nagy. "BabyE" was well known to be Nagy's
wife, or Nagy himself on the same computer. "Liz Dictator" is Jeff Nagy

<tSNBot> SEEN-quit:
trocar(***@usr59-dialup230.mix1.Sacramento.cw.net) left channel 23
days, 12 hours, 5 minutes ago with a reason (Quit: Laughing at your
misery!).

<tSNBot> SEEN-quit: BabyE(***@209.162.105.79) left channel 23
days, 21 hours, 10 minutes ago with a reason (Quit: Laughing at your
misery!).

<tSNBot> SEEN-quit: LizDictator(***@AC981B9C.ipt.aol.com) left
channel 11 hours, 36 minutes ago with a reason (Quit: Laughing at your
misery!).

Sir Chaos wrote: "Tani, I swear I have seen trocar at AC981B9C. My IP
program identified it."

Sir Chaos was correct! Why did Iron Will hand Sir Chaos private-message logs
of himself and what he knew to be a "higher up" to Sir Chaos, a mere Active
Member? Because it was pretty well known that Sir Chaos was "helping
Magistra Tani get proof of this kind of thing for Peggy Nadramia - who asked
for hard proof."

Session Start: Sun May 28 03:45:02 2000 [03:45]
Session Ident: LizDictator (***@AC981B9C.ipt.aol.com) [03:45]
LizDictator: I find it amazing when folks do not know who you are in here,
how terrible they treat you...and these same folks are the ones who rant and
rave about that very same treatment they supposedly recevied from Rev. S.
Terribly hypocritical on their part. If they only knew... [03:50]
LizDictator: if I told you who I was, how far beyond your own eyes would it
go? [03:50]
LizDictator: would you be obligated to pass on the info to Miss Janstang? or
anyone else? [03:51]
IronWill: well youve made some very storng accusations of an official no
less and just for the record the bot records eveything in the room and can
be passed on to who ever needs it [03:51]
LizDictator: does the bot see pm's? [03:51]
LizDictator: and yes I have made accusations [03:52]
LizDictator: and who says I am not an official myself? [03:54]
LizDictator: you must be in pm's with a lot of folks, I will leave you be
[03:55]
LizDictator: okay Dark Mist, Secret Agent Man...get back to me whenever you
get a moment [03:55]
IronWill: no i was looking over a site [03:55]
LizDictator: no problem [03:57]
IronWill: and if your an official i would think it wouldnt be good for other
people poking around to see this such a thing and i would think that you two
would find a way to deal with the problem at hand it does look good on the
room and me being an op ive been givin a job of at least keeping some peace
the most as possible [03:57]
LizDictator: no problem, peace is at hand [03:57]
IronWill: no the bot doesnt see pms [03:58]
LizDictator: I just do not dig the communist vibe [03:58]
IronWill: well all politicval views are welcome here myself im a facist but
i dont attck her for it [03:59]
LizDictator: and NKVD has hurt many a good people in here, I have that proof
but in the overall scope of the COS it is of little importance [03:59]
IronWill: nor do i attack a liberal or a repulican [03:59]
IronWill: politics is like religious views its all preference anyway [04:00]
LizDictator: my problem is that I got along with folks in here swell until
they adopted her communism dealy...and I am a dyed in the wool fascist, just
like my buddy Rev Anthony, no huge secret [04:00]
IronWill: so some of us have gotten into a facism and strong over the weak
rant its just pysco drama nothing more [04:01]
LizDictator: agreed [04:01]
IronWill: so you know rev _Anthony hum [04:01]
LizDictator: and I apologize for bashing her on your watch. Sice you are in
no official position it puts you in a tough place and for that I apologize
[04:02]
LizDictator: and yes, I know KS [04:02]
IronWill: well the online reps are there to deal with such things [04:02]
LizDictator: yep [04:02]
IronWill: i have no authority over officials [04:02]
LizDictator: I know, that is why I aplogize :) [04:03]
LizDictator: anyhow, good evening...I must get some sleep, take care...
[04:03]
IronWill: but you need to verifie who you are to Rev_Ventrue at least so the
ops now who is who we have to keep the peace and theres no way to do that
when someon says there someone and know way to proove it [04:04]

--------------------

The fact of the matter is, I never discussed poltics of any kind in their
chat room, a chat room I hardly even went to (I made my own). I talked quite
a bit in PM with nick DrJosephMengele who I knew was in reality a Russian
neurotoxicologist (no joke - verified!) The only other person who knew this
about him was Jason Yuschenko! When the Nagys tried to drag me into a
political conversation, I ended up explaining what National Socialism was in
contrast to Fascism. Dr. Joe said he once had to explain to Mrs. Nagy what
an "Aryan" was. I didn't know enough about real Communism to say anything
about it to them - and didn't.

********************GOOD ENOUGH - ya see them NOW bobo? See Peggy's telling
the anti's to back off (long before I ever saw her article!) Me thinks that
the adl may have seriously changed their little minds, HA HA.

Finally, due to the over-reaction of Gilmore, using his clout against a man
he knew would cringe, due to the hysterics of some of the other members, and
due to the quality of Tim himself, the obeying little cringing coward, I,
Tani Jantsang, wrote this letter to Barton. IMAGE

I had previous to this sent her the trashings and exposings I did to these
people in the COS. Note that at the time I wrote this, I still had the
"paper with the Mag title" filed neatly in a draw with two other high titles
I got handed by two other Satanic organizations. I never used any of these
titles. Note also that I'm not saying that ALL orgs can't use our stuff with
permission. I'm specifically saying here that the COS can not use our stuff.
Today, quite a few orgs use our stuff.

In September of 2000 the woman (Barton) sent me a long-winded rambling
letter ("I'm so hurt," "I was so deceived," "I trusted you," "Michael
Aquino," blah blah blah) revoking the Mag title. HA! Like, uh, no shit.
Needless to say, the paper is still in the drawer with the other two unused
titles. One may choose to read the facts here on The Hoolah Made Over
Titles.

That's it.
--
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/clearair.html
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/titles.html
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/projectone-orig.html
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/ltr-to-barton.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/brendanspeaks.html
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/aquinospeaks.html
http://www.geocities.com/bartonletters/
THERE IS NOTHING MORE TO SAY OR EXPLAIN

that's my sig file labeled "for the assholes."

Have a nice day! I will. It got nice and warm out.
nagasiva
2004-12-22 20:38:20 UTC
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"Tani Jantsang ©" <***@SPAMpost.com>:
# This is being put up here due to the nagging efforts of Bobo ....

I thought we finished with that chapter. you're lagging behind now, Tani.

re Harry/Bobo:
# ...who are trying very hard to switch things around

your posts contain more text and frequency than either of ours
combined. spin spin. the effort appears primarily to be from
your end of the keyboard. the volume and froth speaks for itself.

# so that Peter Gilmore doesn't come off a blithering idiot

no, his text is well-reasoned, on the whole, and supportable.
even in his fruitless wrangling with Apple Computer he is
measured and clear.

# or a paranoid nutcase for writing what some of us
# think is an insane email....

private email isn't really supposed to be public information.
I'm sure you've written far more "insane" things in public,
which a number of helpful individuals have occasionally
pointed out to you, like in our sigfiles!

<balance snipped, old news, Tani!>

# ********************GOOD ENOUGH - ya see them NOW bobo? ...

no, I didn't read a thing between the comments. I told you to
stop trying to use the internet to convert people to your form
of Sat-Tanism: froth-based, calumny-laden, enemy-derived.

# I had previous to this sent her the trashings and exposings I
# did to these people in the COS. Note that at the time I wrote
# this, I still had the "paper with the Mag title" filed neatly
# in a draw with two other high titles I got handed by two other
# Satanic organizations. I never used any of these titles.

except in May of 2000, the 8th (Kali Day) to be precise when you wrote:

...The COS modern day stance on drugs has more to
do with "social rot." Aside from that, the TOS
is even stricter and THEY WILL turn you into the
DEA as far as I know, or the cops if you break the
law. But your subject heading didn't say "TOS ON
DRUGS."

Once again: yawn.

Magistra Tani Jantsang

"May the Dark Forces within and without you bring
you increase." -- A.S.LaVey
--------------------------------------------------
SVsite <***@my-deja.com>
Subj: Bleary on Drugs
Date: 2000/05/08
Message-ID: <8f5uko$hp9$***@nnrp1.deja.com>
==================================================

using 'Magistra' in your sig; and except for Tim's Project,
when you used it as part of your contribution to materials
that had something to do with fascism (including pro-fascist
articles in a Casey-edited compilation whose content Tim
had asked only be anti-fascist). I still think Tim must
have been very young or merely very imperssionable.

# In September of 2000 the woman (Barton) sent me a long-winded
# rambling letter .... revoking the Mag title....

reproduce it here, please.

# ...One may choose to read the facts here on The Hoolah Made Over
# Titles....

mostly made by you, the bereft of one you're still talking about.
I merely asked if the letter of disentitlement was online.
you haven't produced it yet, just pretended to reflect it.

blessed beast!

boboroshi at-sign satanservice.org: Satanic Outreach Director
Church of Euthanasia: http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/
TOKUS WEBLINKS: http://dmoz.org/Bookmarks/B/boboroshi/
Ninth Scholar's Library (Satanism Archive): http://www.satanservice.org/
========================================================================

...The COS modern day stance on drugs has more to
do with "social rot." Aside from that, the TOS
is even stricter and THEY WILL turn you into the
DEA as far as I know, or the cops if you break the
law. But your subject heading didn't say "TOS ON
DRUGS."

Once again: yawn.

Magistra Tani Jantsang

"May the Dark Forces within and without you bring
you increase." -- A.S.LaVey
--------------------------------------------------
using 'Magistra' in her sig;

SVsite <***@my-deja.com>
Subj: Bleary on Drugs
Date: 2000/05/08
Message-ID: <8f5uko$hp9$***@nnrp1.deja.com>
==================================================
Tani Jantsang ©
2004-12-22 21:08:50 UTC
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Post by nagasiva
50041222 viii om Happy Solstice!
# so that Peter Gilmore doesn't come off a blithering idiot
no, his text is well-reasoned, on the whole, and supportable.
even in his fruitless wrangling with Apple Computer he is
measured and clear.
Considering he takes hours to formulate the "prefect text" it's not
surprising. I type over 100 wpm and just rush whaterver out as if I'm
talking. Don't even spell check. for what, usenet? Hell no.
Post by nagasiva
# or a paranoid nutcase for writing what some of us
# think is an insane email....
private email isn't really supposed to be public information.
Tim sent that private email to everyone that wrote essays.
Post by nagasiva
I'm sure you've written far more "insane" things in public,
which a number of helpful individuals have occasionally
pointed out to you, like in our sigfiles!
You mean on usenet.
Post by nagasiva
<balance snipped, old news, Tani!>
# ********************GOOD ENOUGH - ya see them NOW bobo? ...
no, I didn't read a thing between the comments. I told you to
stop trying to use the internet to convert people to your form
of Sat-Tanism: froth-based, calumny-laden, enemy-derived.
Uh, saTanism is not froth based, clumny laden, or enemy derived. But USENET
is.
Post by nagasiva
# I had previous to this sent her the trashings and exposings I
# this, I still had the "paper with the Mag title" filed neatly
# in a draw with two other high titles I got handed by two other
# Satanic organizations. I never used any of these titles.
...The COS modern day stance on drugs has more to
do with "social rot." Aside from that, the TOS
is even stricter and THEY WILL turn you into the
DEA as far as I know, or the cops if you break the
law. But your subject heading didn't say "TOS ON
DRUGS."
"as far as I know" - qualifier that castratos miss.
Post by nagasiva
Once again: yawn.
Magistra Tani Jantsang
"May the Dark Forces within and without you bring
you increase." -- A.S.LaVey
--------------------------------------------------
Subj: Bleary on Drugs
Date: 2000/05/08
==================================================
using 'Magistra' in your sig;
Yup, why not? It's usenet. Serious articles and things I sell ain't on
usenet. Catch it - saying PRO things about the ToS using the title. he he
he he he. Joke lost on you. Uh, that was in May, yes. Did so after that
too - in some pretty vicious flames aimed at them.

and except for Tim's Project,
Post by nagasiva
when you used it as part of your contribution to materials
that had something to do with fascism (including pro-fascist
articles in a Casey-edited compilation whose content Tim
had asked only be anti-fascist). I still think Tim must
have been very young or merely very imperssionable.
Wrong again. I used no title on my essays for him. None of what Tim had
was PRO fascist. Casey AND TWO COS MEMBERS that Tim talked to frequently
edited his intro and commentary. That is ALL they edited - his originals
are up there. Tim said in writing that he wanted it to be objective. He
told a few people in PRIVATE that he didn't want anything pro fascist - uh,
except Peggy's article - written by her for who knows what reason. And he
told Les Masters exactly WHO inspired him to write that, aside from Peggy in
her article. It's all up there.
--
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/projectone-orig.html
Post by nagasiva
# In September of 2000 the woman (Barton) sent me a long-winded
# rambling letter .... revoking the Mag title....
reproduce it here, please.
http://www.geocities.com/bartonletters/

Best I can do. You would have to come here, Bobo, and pay me to see the
original, LMAO, since you are so intent on putting your nose into this when
it never concerned you in the first place.
Post by nagasiva
# ...One may choose to read the facts here on The Hoolah Made Over
# Titles....
mostly made by you,
Uh, no. Not made by me at all UNTIL the castratos go on and on and on with
it making it into something it never was. At this point, I don't care what
you think or feel about any of it. It's up there - as it was.
Post by nagasiva
blessed beast!
boboroshi at-sign satanservice.org: Satanic Outreach Director
Church of Euthanasia: http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/
TOKUS WEBLINKS: http://dmoz.org/Bookmarks/B/boboroshi/
Ninth Scholar's Library (Satanism Archive): http://www.satanservice.org/
========================================================================
...The COS modern day stance on drugs has more to
do with "social rot." Aside from that, the TOS
is even stricter and THEY WILL turn you into the
DEA as far as I know, or the cops if you break the
law. But your subject heading didn't say "TOS ON
DRUGS."
Once again: yawn.
Magistra Tani Jantsang
"May the Dark Forces within and without you bring
you increase." -- A.S.LaVey
--------------------------------------------------
using 'Magistra' in her sig;
Subj: Bleary on Drugs
Date: 2000/05/08
==================================================
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