/ping Tyagi another piece

[Tani Jantsang ©]

Here is SOME of it, Stewart complaining about SOME of it - and Metadromos
complaining about being threatened. Two things on here

From: "Tim Epperhart" <***@hotmail.com>

To:

Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 05:42:44 GMT

Subject: "Spy Vs. Spy" MORE UNFOUNDED BULL SHIT

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Dear Peter and Peggy,



It seems our boy, Rev Schlesinger imagines I'm "Spying"

for his so called "enemies" or should I say, for other psuedo Satanic

organizations. First I would like to illuminate a few things for you and

Peggy this very instant, I have never discharged any information to any

psuedo Satanic organization. Not that the Church of Satan has "big top

secret" we must hide anyway, and if their we're "big top secrets" I would

not be acquainted with them, not that I would really care. I have far more

additional things going on for me then to worry about people who imagine I

am "spying for the enemy" these people are the least amount intelligent

people I've ever encountered, and they inconsistently would like to add

multiples of idiocy of pure, bull-shit. You think I'm lying, examine the log

below, go ahead. This is the state of mind of Rev Andre Schlesinger, so

called "investigator" of the Church of Satan. I've never once role played

like children, "undercover agent" on anyone in or outside the CoS these

pastimes are for small minded people, with small minded objectives; It

should be in your best interest to consult with this person that I am no

such thing, I AM a member of the Church of Satan. You think doctor would put

up with this trifle, insiginifigent games they play with people: He would

have scoffed.



I'll enlighten you right now, this is partly about my Project 1: I offer an

objective look into this, and I do delve quite deeply into it. Matter of

fact, recently I have consulted with Mr. "Conspiritorium" to actually uphold

my intention, and original conviction of the objectivism I do so strive for,

personified by my Project which you two should be reciving copies when I am

finished, everybody knows that from my original letter. What does my project

have anything to do with their dillusional ideas of spying, again, I repeat,

I gave them all a chance to "articulate their peace". I even said I agreed

with them that the people who DO play "spy vs Spy" Are very stupid, but I

did not say it in those precise words.



You should be getting an e mail, anytime now whining about "I've done this

with so and so" blah blah blah, just bear in mind this is coming from people

who would like to degenerate the CoS into the very thing we are against,

klippoths. No, better yet, I'm going to give you an extract of one of John C

Davis' E mails to give you an idea what I'm talking about...



"Does anyone think Doktor would have put up with this shit? Does anyone

think he would have turned a mild eye on this crap? Yes, our High Priest is

dead. Yes, that sucks, and it is interfering with our coherence. However,

Dr. LaVey left in place a High Priestess and a Council that he trusted to

take us into the next century. He left in place a fully healthy Church of

Satan. What are we doing to his vision and to his organization? Are we

going to destroy them both? Are we going to allow the in-fighting and the

fake churches/organizations to take us down?"-John Davis







His assertion was enormously correct, and GOD DAMNIT I am a CoS member, like

a soap opera they have to give vent to, because they feel insiginifigently

miniature, they hate to see another COS associate actually do something,

create projects that do not fit their scheme of what Satanism is: And here I

am thinking diversity is the key, and because I am diverse, I hold a

differing opinion, I'm a "spy" keep this in mind, both of you, I ask what is

the point of the below? Trying to prove something, perhaps? "My faction is

better than your faction"? Church of Satan members spying on other Church of

Satan members? Does that make sense to you? It doesn't to me. Take a long

good look at what John wrote, I challenge anyone to prove me other wise, in

context with what I've said.





Lets Make History...







Timothy STEWART Epperhart

Student, Satanic Combat Sciences













<sleepdirt> Yes?

<Rev_Ventrue> yeah, I should start up a mailing list called the F-Word :)

hehe

<Rev_Schlesinger> you have known me for a few years now..

<Rev_Schlesinger> yes.. and The Satanic Fascita Council..

<Rev_Schlesinger> anyway..

<Rev_Schlesinger> you have known me for a few years now..

<WolfAtHartSCS> That sounds quite promising Rev Ventrue.

<Rev_Schlesinger> better than a lot of the morons that have come in here for

the past several months..

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<Rev_Schlesinger> you know me about as well as Rev Ventrue..

<Rev_Schlesinger> and you have seen some of my work and helped me with some

of my covert missions..

<Rev_Schlesinger> so tell me.. and the class...

<Rev_Schlesinger> what do WE do with spies?..

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<Guest06197> I'm new and want to know more about satanism

<Guest06197> can anyone help?

<Rev_Schlesinger> Sleep has a 13 sec lag on him..

<sleepdirt> Most spies are not treated well. In fact, the punishment for

treason or espionage in this country is the death penalty.

<Rev_Schlesinger> so says the law..



e who break the lw fgo to the House of Pain..

<sleepdirt> Damn. A newbie that actually paid attention to a suggestion.

<thought_police> heh..

<thought_police> anyway..



<thought_police> yes..

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<thought_police> and those who break the lw fgo to the House of Pain..

<sleepdirt> Damn. A newbie that actually paid attention to a suggestion.

<thought_police> heh..

<thought_police> anyway..

<thought_police> although I am in the spy business myself.. professionally

as a PI..

<thought_police> I detest people spying on me, my friends, and my

organization..



our organization..

<thought_police> it is.. how do they say?.. in BAD TASTE..

<WolfAtHartSCS> hmmmm... I would agree with you, actually.



This is where I was kick/banned



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SAMPLE TWO of some of it (most of it happened in LOGS).



From: "Kaiaphas" <***@home.com>

To:

Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:13:13 -0700

Subject: No more for me.

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Session Start: Fri Jul 14 22:20:22 2000

*** Now talking in #satannet

*** Topic is 'For Chat Room Rules go to =

http://www.satannet.net/chatrules.html=0F'

*** Set by Rev_Ventrue on Thu Jul 13 05:55:19

<Rev_Schlesinger> membership applications take weeeks to process..

<Rev_Schlesinger> and..

<sleepdirt> I waited 8 months for my active application.

<boang> not really its just that hunting in the philippines seems to be =

always open

<Rev_Schlesinger> since the COS now has many more people applying for =

membership since our website went up..

<Jo_Violent> 100 dollars isn't much so I sent it to them.

<sleepdirt> When I got it, I was wondering who in San Francisco was =

sending me mail. Thought it was from my aunt.

<Rev_Schlesinger> the processing time is much longer..

<Jo_Violent> I am thinking about sending more just for the hell of it.

<Rev_Schlesinger> and there is a very limited number of people who =

actually do all the paperwork at Central Grotto..

<Jo_Violent> Really?

<Rev_Schlesinger> really..

<NarMattaru> Hello

<tSNBot> How many times do I have to say hello? NarMattaru

<NarMattaru> heh

<IronWill> hello Nar

<NarMattaru> hey IronWill!

<NarMattaru> Oh you know I am Metadromos....right?

<NarMattaru> lemme change nick

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<Rev_Schlesinger> uh..

-NickServ- You now have 40 seconds to change your nick. The nick you are

-NickServ- currently using is registered to another user.

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NEWS

<Rev_Ventrue> and you are in here why?

<Jo_Violent> Hey Rev.Schlesinger me?

<Metadromos> Why not?

* Rev_Schlesinger slips on his jackboots..

<Rev_Ventrue> Don't you have a different chatroom you should be in..

* Rev_Schlesinger pops in his monicle and takes up his riding crop..

<Jo_Violent> puts on his quick-getaway jet-pack.

<Rev_Schlesinger> the music of Hogans's Heroes plays in the background..

<Jo_Violent> snickers

<Metadromos> Well, I chat in a few rooms now and then...but if you mean =

#satanmuse, what's the difference? Both CoS rooms.

<Metadromos> Am I not welcome here?

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<IronWill> ohh its YOU

<Rev_Ventrue> No, big difference..

<Jo_Violent> This is the best site on the web.

<Jo_Violent> Hands down.

<Rev_Ventrue> this is a Real Pro-CoS room.. not a "cant we all just get =

along" room...

<Jo_Violent> I am not familiar w/the term metadromos....

* Rev_Schlesinger askes the class "what do we do with spies?"..

<Jo_Violent> shoot them

<Gorgos> Send them out for pizza?

<Rev_Schlesinger> BINGO!

<Metadromos> You think I am a spy?

<Rev_Ventrue> Not a "just cuz you hate the CoS, that does not mean we =

hate you" room

<Rev_Schlesinger> both right..

<IronWill> give them confusing instructions so they get lost

* Gorgos sings "I am a spy in the house of love"..

<sleepdirt> Most spies are not treated well. In fact, the punishment =

for treason or espionage in this country is the death penalty.

<Rev_Schlesinger> did I "say" that?..

<Rev_Schlesinger> hmmm..

<Metadromos> It was a question.

* Rev_Schlesinger tuns on the hot lights..

<Rev_Schlesinger> what do you think?..

<Metadromos> I think the whole thing is WAY overblown.

<Metadromos> but...

<Rev_Schlesinger> would you like a glass of water?..

<Rev_Schlesinger> a cigarette?..

<Jo_Violent> need a light jacko?

<Rev_Schlesinger> would you like me to turn down the hot lights and tell =

the bad man to stand outside?..

<Rev_Ventrue> Well its come down to "choose who you love" ... pick a =

room and stick with it, I am tired of playing musical rooms with people =

and I am tired of the people in that room spreading lies about us... so =

it has been done, everyone is to pick a room now.. and stay there...

<Rev_Schlesinger> the way the certain "COS members" are treating other =

COS members in public is fuck'n disgusting...

<Rev_Ventrue> Iron,,, look at your messages..

<Rev_Schlesinger> I persoannaly have had nothing nice to say about a =

certain matter so I have kept my mouth shut..

<Rev_Ventrue> So Meta, you have a choice.. and thats that..

<Rev_Schlesinger> actually many certain matters..

<Rev_Schlesinger> if people want to talk shit about me, the Rev =

Ventrue.. and my other friends...

<Metadromos> I do agree that it is sad. Especially when it comes to =

friendships being destroyed, but if you are giving me an ultimatum =

(nobody has yet done this) then I will treat it as I do all ultimatums.

<Rev_Schlesinger> they are not only not welcome here..

<Metadromos> Have a good day.

Session Close: Fri Jul 14 22:34:21 2000
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Here is one of the things I wrote for it.

Meritocracy is NOT the same as hierarchy. Not at all. This is a DANGEROUS
misconception that I believe is born in the smothered hearts of people who
are presently RAGING against society. (Suggestion: move out of the
neighborhood...)

You DO NOT have ANY meritocracy in ANY hierarchy, whether that "-archy" is
Monarchy, Oligarchy, Patriarchy or other. NONE. What you have instead is
STASIS, static classes, static positions in society, static roles based NOT
on what you are or can do, but on WHO you are, who you are related to, who
you know, and other such arbitrary rubbish. From generation to generation,
or group to group, you have the STATUS QUO. The appearance of stratification
in hierarchies are nothing but appearances that have NOTHING AT ALL to do
with the MERIT of the individual. I say "most often" because such systems
are overthrown and what you get as a result is anarchy and slaughter. Lots
of slaughter. Vengeance is sweet.

But here is the trick: meritocracies lead to stratification, and each
"strata" that forms in the society AT ANY GIVEN TIME (important), COULD BE
looked at as a hierarchy in a very loose way, the loosest of ways - so loose
that it's not even a hierarchy - because it's an ever changing hierarchy,
it's ALWAYS in motion and never the same. Not only from generation to
generation but even within one lifetime, the strata changes. This is a MAJOR
difference. This is also how the entire web of life works in real nature.
The other is only the way nature is in the minds of those that either desire
to make nature what it is not, or those just too stupid to understand the
NOT-so-subtle difference.

And here is one by none other than Peggy herself written LONG before I got
wind of some fascist faction in the org. In here, she says probably the
most STUPID thing uttered by a human mouth since hominids became H. Sapiens.

5. SATANISM, NAZISM AND FASCISM, BY PEGGY NADRAMIA

Can also be seen on HrVad's website in general COS section.

The last time I talked to Boyd, we discussed our Barbie collections. Some
Nazi.

Here's how Nazism and fascism fit into Satanism, as I see it:

1. You're already a Satanist, the most evil being the status quo could ever
imagine. Why the hell do you care if they call you a Nazi? Is there a Good
Guy Badge stuck to one of your old suits? Go check your closet.

2. Nazism scares people. Satan scares people. Some Satanists like to scare
people, so they dress in Nazi fashion and have fun goose-stepping down the
strasse. B.F.D. [BFD = Big Fucking Deal. ed.]

3. Satanists see nature as a dark force, a very fascist force, within them
and without them. When you hear them talking about fascism, they are often
thinking of what I can only call "deep fascism," not political fascism. I
agree with the assertion that a Libertarian society would be the best one
for Satanists, from a political perspective, but we also have a lot of
opinions about the social structure of a Satanic society. Would we be "free"
to enslave ourselves to each other, if that's how we wanted to live? While
Libertarianism might rule the land, Satanists may choose to live in tribal
settings that are internally very Communistic or Socialistic. For example, I
wouldn't mind "working for the good of others" as long as the "others" were
of my choosing, my tribe of loved ones.

4. Nazism, like the image of the Arch Demon, appeals to the young because it
embodies strength and control to those who have little of either in their
lives. They'll get over it.

5. It's a fashion trend.

6. "The plague of Nazism" is being trumped-up by those who would choose to
drive a wedge between us, disperse us and weaken us. Don't let them do it.
Lighten up.

[Tani Jantsang ©]

I wrote this. Note that in what I wrote, there is no mention of any
SPECIFIC organization at all - unless I had to mention an org that I got the
article from in order to even put it on the web.

9. THE RIGHT WING TREND AMONGST THE HERD WHICH INCLUDES MEMBERS OF SATANIC
ORGANIZATIONS, BY TANI JANTSANG

This "Fascism" fantasy, or the Nazi fantasy (Jewish Nazi mystique,
concentration camp kitsch,) or the "I'm a superior being" rubbish is only
appealing to those THAT HAVE BEEN broken in the root and in the heart. ONLY
appealing to them. The Germans were broken after WWI and the blacks in the
USA are broken. They both got into the same thing: fascism. The CIA did not
impose this on them. They did it to themselves. Point is, I do not see black
fascists TRYING TO BE Satanists and take over a Satanic Church or movement!
They are not that far gone.

Is there a fascist faction within Satanic movements? I don't see why not
since it's gotten into every other movement. "I wannabe ELITE!" That IS
their noise. But they are not necessarily reacting to the repressive
Christian Upbringing Syndrome, though they are ALL Cultural Christians. They
are reacting to something that TOOK OVER American society due to the past
actions of one ethnic group that lorded it over another ethnic group or
race. They are reacting to the near deification of the formerly bottom
ethnic group! They are reacting to "liberals" who were really suffocating
draconian FASCIST tyrants in disguise. The Fascists in the Satanic movement
are so stupid as to think Christianity is at fault. Behold the following:

Congressional Record, Published by the U. S. Government Printing office,
Proceedings of the House, 1957, page 8559, starting on column one: Israel
Cohen, a leading "communist"* in England, in his "A Racial Program for the
Twentieth Century," wrote:

"We must realize that our Party's most powerful weapon is racial tension. By
pounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they
have been oppressed by the whites, we can mould them to the program of the
communist party*. In America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming
the Negro minority against the whites, we will instill into the whites a
guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes. We will aid the Negroes
to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the
world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negro will be
able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver
America into our hands." !!!

*communist. This is well after Stalin - it is Khrushchev - a state
capitalist at Cold War with the USA - who swore to BURY the USA from within.
Not a Communist (in the Marxist sense) at all, but the world called it
"communism." In fact, it was USSR policy since 1953! Not Communist at all.

Now: that's for real. It was DONE. And it is THIS that people are reacting
to with no ability to even realize that their reaction is PART OF A PLAN.
They are puppets prancing around screaming about how elite they are, how
aware they are, how independent they are.

This was NOT the real, genuine Communist's SUGGESTION for REALLY persecuted
blacks during Stalin's time. Stalin and those real Communists rationally
said: the blacks should have their OWN NATION since they are a defacto
nation (at the time living under dejure segregation)! This espionage agent
Israel Cohen also shows that the policies of Khrushchev relied on a false
and racist idea about intermarriage! It is also well known now that M. L.
King was funded by money from Moscow through his number one aid. ML King's
ideas for Civil Rights were fine: but they were SUBVERTED!!!

So there you have it. Christianity and the whole rest was SUBVERTED by
super-spies and this is on record, it was known. FBI J. E. Hoover's data is
available now and the Soviet archives are OPEN. As Christianity and
Catholicism got more and more undermined by liberal ideas (spies posing as
priests? why not), the Fundamentalist reactionary movement rose. Now they
are the truly Fascist Christian Coalition. If anyone understood Marx, they'd
see that all is going according to plan!

But, whose plan it is these days? Aside from "plans," what you can visibly
see now, is an equally imbalanced REACTION by morons who don't even know
what egalitarianism or what true meritocracy is. They want to heave out the
baby with the bathwater - and heave out the tub too and trash the wwhole
house! What these morons don't even realize is that this subversive activity
has also destroyed the blacks! It has increased class and racial conflict
and to what end? You don't know? And what do we see rising with the blacks?
Farrakhan? Pseudo scientific theories? Same thing. Black Fascists! All
Islamic. They are ALSO anti-Christian! They are still not so stupid as to
try to be Satanic!

I find it a very peculiar thing that anyone that's into this would want to
join up with any Satanic organization. They'd be ostracized by their own
would-be friends and allies and accomplish NOTHING toward the political (or
racial) goals they imagine they want. Watch out whatcha wish for, said the
Genie.

[Tani Jantsang ©]

11. FASCISM AND THE SO-CALLED OCCULT, BY PHILIP MARSH

Fascism, which is often thought to include the historic National Socialist
movement of the German Workers' Party (NSDAP), at least in its latter,
deteriorating stages, is a word often used and meant now to include forms of
political regime like that of Benito Mussolini of Italy, and Francisco Fanco
of Spain. Unlike Marxism, fascism involved no clear or specific
interpretation of history, nor any systematic interpretation of ideology,
which makes commentary upon this subject difficult. In every case of
fascism, however, there was a clear negative reaction against socialist and
democratic equalitarianism (equal rights as citizens, equal chances for all
regardless of gender or race). In general, there was a strong fear, by both
fascist and National Socialist leaders, like Adolf Hitler, of revolution,
subsequent chaos, anarchy, and general insecurity. Pride and prejudice,
exploiting vulgar anti-Semitism, were appealed to by National Socialist and
fascist leaders, which is hardly Satanic. In essence, every fascist and
National Socialist movement, including that of the NSDAP, has appealed to
law, order, and Christian morality, no matter how you look at it. The
glorification of the state, and the subordination of the individual to the
state, are of its essence as well - again, hardly Satanic. The credo of all
forms of fascism is "believe, obey, fight." This is diametrically opposed to
the credo of Satanism, which has the exact opposite credo: "doubt, rebel,
make love."

There is a false version of Darwinism involved in National Socialist
doctrine. This is the idea that an individual bears the genetic imprint of
superiority by being a member of a specific race, in particular, the "Aryan"
race. I believe there are inherently Satanic individuals, but they, as a
group, by no means coincide with members of the so-called Aryan race. LaVey
himself, at least part Jew and definitely not Aryan, said that Satanists and
Jews have been almost automatically aligned throughout history, so
anti-Semitic movements like that of Adolf Hitler's are not likely to be
Satanic. Or else LaVey was wrong on this, as I do not think he was.

Undoubtedly the elitist bent of National Socialist movements has captured
the imagination of superficial, present-day, American "Satanists." Not only
this, but it is known that an inner core of the Thule Gesellchaft (Society)
attended a famous historic meeting of Hitler's German Workers' Party to take
a look at Hitler. The inner circle of this Thule group did indeed espouse
"Satanism" and practice ritualistic "Black Magic." But in reality, these
personages were not allied with the dark forces, as was LaVey, but rather
were died-in-the-wool proponents of the Theosophy of Madame Blavastsky. I
challenge anyone reading this to refute historically what I am saying.
Blavatsky was, in fact, an advocate of the forces of light. (Nothing wrong
with that.) In fact, the swastika itself, appealing to Blavatsky, to
so-called "Satanists" of the Third Reich, and to their modern day
aficionados who consider themselves "Satanists," is a symbol of the light,
not of the dark, as the pentacle is. Almost any symbol based on four points
or four-fold symmetry instead of five is a symbol of cosmos, not of the
great dark which, as Goethe's character Mephistopheles said, once was All.
Likewise, the well-known lightning bolt of Himmler's SS is a symbol, once
again, of the primal light as it came forth from the dark void - but the
"Holy of Holies" of a true Satanist - which preceded this light is the
Darkness.

There were about forty members of the Thule Gesellschaft who attended the
aforesaid meeting of the German Workers' Party. I have investigated most of
them. That is why I can challenge readers of this post to attempt to refute
me. It will be in vain, and you will only show your own ignorance - not a
Satanic quality. Prominent among the attendees of this meeting was Dietrich
Eckhardt, an early member of the Thule group, as well as his acquaintance,
the so-called Count Heinrich von Sebbetendorf (or Sebbotendorf), the actual
founder of the Thule Gesellschaft. The "Count" established it as an offshoot
of an anti-Semitic lodge of the ancient Germanenorden. Eckhardt himself
found out that this "nobleman's" real name was not Sebbetendorf, but Rudolph
Glauer, the son of a locomotive engine-driver from Dresden. Again, nothing
wrong with that, but there is something wrong with being a phony. Most
un-Satanic. Glauer claimed he had been officially adopted under "Turkish
law" by the Count Heinrich von Sebbetendof, and therefore had a right to
this title. Eckhardt, for reasons I won't go into here, made no attempt to
expose him nor undermine his fake reputation, as he could have. Suffice it
to say that Eckhardt did not want to undermine the power and prestige of the
Thule Gesellschaft when it was beginning to establish itself in Bavaria.
Glauer was influenced, as I said, by Blavatsky's doctrines of Light from her
two volume work The Secret Doctrine, but didn't know the difference between
dark doctrines and forces vs. light ones. He also studied Sufi meditation
and Oriental philosophy, again without knowing the difference. The least
that can be said of LaVey is that, however he did so, he seems to have had
at least an inkling of the difference.

I have chosen details about Glauer to illustrate what was the case of all of
these Thule members. They were not Satanists. Glauer, General Karl
Haushofer, and others members simply transposed Blavatsky's descriptions and
magical conditions about pre-historical "Atlantis" to the Germanic
mythological world of the Eddas, in which the Gods, giants, men, and beasts
were engaged in a bloodcurdling struggle for survival. These were age-old
legends of ignorant men about Niflheim (the Underworld), Muspellhiem, and
Midgard. These I will agree are intriguing and suggestive ideas, but hardly
Satanic. Based on all of this, Glauer and other member of this inner group
of the Thule Gesellschaft predicted that latent powers slumbering in the
"blood" of the Aryan race would unfold in the Twentieth Century under Adolf
Hitler. "Supermen" would then appear, they believed, awakening the Germanic
people to the glories of their ancient heritage, which had been obliterated
by Christianity. (They were right about this systematic and relentless
obliteration, but the Germans obliterated it themselves, or one may say that
they colonized themselves). They believed these coming Supermen would
conquer the world. All of these ideas were extended and refined by Heinrich
Himmler, Reichsfuhrer SS, who inveigled and sometimes terrorized a large
section of the German academic community into perpetuating these myths of an
inherent German racial superiority.

Herman Rauschning, a defected Gauleitier, explained the excitation of
Germans by racial ideology as being due to the fact that every German, he
said, had "one foot in 'Atlantis' where he seeks a better Fatherland and a
better patrimony." Such a quest for betterment of this kind I can commend.
But again, this is not Satanic or of the Dark. It is natural, and of the
Light. Rauschning's comments on the "great leader" of this failed movement
will be particularly enlightening to real Satanists reading this.
Rauschning, who met Hitler on numerous occasions, wrote that "Hitler is the
reeking miasma of furtive, unnatural sexuality which fills and fouls the
atmosphere around him, like an evil emanation. Nothing in his environment is
straightforward. Surreptitious relationships, substitutes and symbols, false
sentiments and hidden lusts - nothing in this man's surroundings is natural
and genuine, nothing has the openness of a natural instinct. 'Oh, if only
Hitler knew how it does one good to have a fresh natural girl!' said
Forster, another of Hitler's Gauleiters" (quoted from Hitler Speaks, by
Hermann Rauschning). With this, Rausching hit on the head the trouble with
all of today's bogus "Satanists" who gravitate toward Hitler, the SS, and
National Socialism. According to Rauschning, Hitler fantastically enthroned
himself, "looking out to eternity," from his mountain eyrie at Barbarossa, a
snowbound, glass-walled building nestled in a rocky ravine of the Bavarian
mountains. The walls of his "palace" were adorned with nudes of no artistic
intention, but instead illustrating the crudest sexual deviations.
Christianity had made him what it seeks to make of everyone: someone "smooth
between the legs," someone whose sexuality is focused in his brain. A
twisted, demented, pathetic creature, utterly broken at the root.

If this is where you are coming from, if sexual perversion of this type has
a central place in your life, then, by all means, join the worldwide ranks
of National Socialists, but quit pretending that the pentacle stands for
this! Let me put it simply: sexual dementia was at the core of Hitler, as it
is of all products of Christian society. He, like many of you bogus
"Satanists," like Aleister Crowley too, as complete a product of
Christianity as anyone, have put this at the heart of your so-called
mediumistic and clairvoyant powers. It is the motivation behind every one of
your so-called "Satanic" acts. In these acts, you reap vengeance only on
yourself, and futilely attempt it on the Christian repressors of your
childhood and pubescent sexuality. There is nothing wrong with a love of
Teutonic mythology. But that is not what is involved in your so-called
fascistic "Satanism."

Instead of Mussolini's "believe, obey, and fight," I advocate, as a
Satanist, what Lenin advocated. He told Russian soldiers to stop fighting,
to end the war, and to take the guns the Tsar had issued to them and turn
them on their own generals. This is truly Satanic. (The Russians did as he
said, overthrew the Tsars, and won the Bolshevik Revolution, as they
defeated the Nazi "supermen" forty years or so later, killing or capturing
four or more Wehrmacht soldiers and killing ten to every kill or capture by
the Americans under General Eisenhower.)

When great mutations of the human species finally do occur, building up and
adding up to a truly new species whose destiny is to inherit the Earth,
eventually annihilating and supplanting everything else, the way Homo
sapiens supplanted the Neanderthal, it will not conform in any way to the
so-called "visions" the delirious Adolf Hitler had as he lay writhing in
torment in his hospital bed from mustard gas poisoning. Take him as your
"Fuehrer" if you like. As a real Satanist and admirer of LaVey, I pass.

Perhaps the best the most truly Satanic thing that might be true of many of
you "National Socialist Satanists" is what Rene Guenon said of Neo-pagan
groups in the era of the Thule Gesellschaft. He suggested they might be, as
you the reader might be, unwitting tools of higher demonic powers seeking to
unleash untold horrors on mankind. If "demons" and their human demonolators
are conjuring you to do this, in which case pulling strings you don't even
realize you have, that would explain why you feed off repression, blood and
pain. Having had personal acquaintance with various "demons" within the
hearts of similarly enamored and demented people, let me tell you that
contrary to general opinion, demons love Christians because Christians'
minds and lives are built around blood, pain, and sadism: it is the only way
they can release themselves from their own repressions; it is their only
outlet.

[Tani Jantsang ©]

and I wrote this, by the way, Narodnik means populist. I have to wonder
WHY anyone would object to this - heh. Or why anyone would "sycophants
unite" against DeBoo. Hmmm?

12. FASCISM IS NOT THE SAME AS NATIONAL SOCIALISM, BY COMMISSAR TJ, THE
NARODNIK

First of all, let us not grossly confuse two entirely different things:
Fascism and National Socialism.

Fascism is what you see in the Christian Coalition today - a FASCES of
united but varying types of Christians (and some non-Christian religious
people, too) that used to bicker amongst each other; but united as a FASCES
now, they all have One Common Goal. SMASHING US is one of those goals. You
can easily see what this Fascism is by joining a huge Fascist organization
right here in the USA: the Christian Coalition.

National Socialism is SOCIALISM either in one country or amongst one ethnic
group sharing a language/culture/territory. But it is nonetheless SOCIALISM.
It is no different from Marxism in terms of economic practices and is pro
Labor, pro working classes, (The Working Class) and it is against an
aristocracy that would exploit the workers. A National Socialist government
now, in the USA, might be racist or might not be - but it would definitely
nationalize industry, close the borders and raise the wages of the working
class! It would TAKE money from those that would otherwise exploit, and use
that money to raise the wages of those who WORK to make those all those
corporate profits. Pat Buchannan claims he would DO this. If you want
National Socialism: VOTE BUCHANNAN. Be aware that such Nationalistic
Socialism (Nationalistic anything, in fact) would also favor the MAJORITY
religious and cultural stream: and that IS Christian culture in the USA.

The bimbos that get into the "Concentration Camp hard ons for Nazis" seem
not to understand this basic difference. National Socialism is a FAR LEFT
movement. Fascism is a FAR RIGHT movement. The two do NOT converge. National
Socialism is pro working class and peasant. Fascism is pro ruling classes
(rich in the USA) pro corporation and pro military which enforces the laws,
usually against the working classes, women and even children. BIG
difference.

It is Left Wing people and Marxist propagandists who repeated the lie that
"Hitler was a Fascist." They repeated this (indoctrination) in order to
prevent anyone from thinking that Stalin or Mao were ALSO "Nazis." Consider
it: Both Stalin and Mao, despite their "internationalist rhetoric" were
Socialist-in-One-Country. Stalin was very different from Lenin and the
original Bolsheviks (heh, some say he hunted those guys down and killed
them....) This Left-wing propaganda and distortion took root during the
heyday of the Far Left in the USA. Why? I say it again: Stalin also had
socialism in one country! So did Mao Tsetung! Same thing! The National
Bolshevik movement in the xUSSR, right now, fully realizes this - they
aren't brainwashed nor are they political idiots.

As to the perception or online crap or whatever else it is: Peggy Nadramia,
in her article, can exculpate and exonerate the "kinky fetish for Nazis and
EEEEVIL" all she would like. She is clearly catering to immature boys who
have yet to GROW UP and GET OVER IT. Meanwhile they make HELL for anyone not
into their "thang." They play "Der Fuehrer" with members of their own
organization and some newbies. Only people within the organization would NOT
tell them to fuck off. Holding people's memberships or titles over their
heads is CULT behavior! An odd thing to actually see since TBF printed
Selwyn's article and agreed with it. People in other organizations
definitely won't play this head game and they'll attack anyone they see AT
THE TOP condoning it! And her statement that heh, "the Dark Force is a
fascist force" is just about the most inane statement I've ever heard; it's
stupider than "slurs and glommings" I make when I say "the Dark Force IS
entropy" without bothering to explain a damned thing such as "increase of
chaos, increases of entropy" or whatever it was Mengele and Marsh wrote with
a lot more exactitude. (An article on this by Mengele & Marsh can be seen at
http://www.apodion.com/vad/dark/entropy_tech.shtml) Chaos is the opposite of
Fascism, if anything the Dark Force has everything to do with CHAOS – not
with order! Fascism is clearly a very bright kind of "little boy's"
movement; it is, in the modern world, a reversion to primitive tribalism
within a capitalist framework inevitably embarked upon by beaten and broken
people within a conquered nation (whether that be a bonafide nation as in
Europe, or an internal colony as the blacks are in the USA).

The reality is, however, that there are REAL neo Nazis (really pro fascists
since none of them even know what the "socialism" stands for in the
word....), KKK, Identity Christians well over 30,000 strong (just the listed
ones in this country), and they are interwoven deeply into the Pat Robertson
and Jerry Falwell type Christian Coalition trying to take over the
government right now and following behind George W. Bush. These very real
Fascists HATE the COS, they HATE Dr. LaVey as a "Jewish agent of ZOG" (the
extremists say that and a lot worse) they HATE the kinky sex advocated by
what they openly call the demented asocials of society responsible for the
filth, decay and demoralization of the youth - and this would definitely
include the neo-Nazi Satanists. On the other side of the coin, there are the
very powerful Jewish organizations and I'm quite surprised that they have
NOT taken note already: but do you know what that seems suspicious to, to
the far-right fanatics? The "Ubiquitous Agents of ZOG" might well be BEHIND
this trend in the COS. Why? The ADL, as a known fact, has set up some of the
BEST neo-Nazi movements in the country, only in order to trap and catch not
just the angry kids into it, but the seriously minded types in government
and in the entire Christian movement. This is no different from FBI
"COINTELPROs" and if anyone thinks they don't do that they are not living in
the real world. THAT the quasi-Satanists into this fetish have NOT been
persecuted by the Jewish groups, or more notably by Morris Dies, is even
more proof positive, in the minds of the white nationalist extremists, that
the COS IS INDEED operating as a JEWISH FRONT GROUP when they promote
Nazism. This may be false, it probably IS false, but trust me, ALL of the
real neo-Nazis, Identity Christians and that type - BELIEVE IT. I have seen
MUCH literature on this - advocating "kill the Anti-Christ." But they don't
tell us who that is. Then in a separate piece of literature I read that "the
Jew LaVey had a child with the Whore of Babylon and this son of his is
Anti-Christ." SON? Do they mean XERXES? Add the two pieces of literature
together: 1. kill the anti-Christ and, 2. the anti-Christ is Doc LaVey's
son. Add it up.

By all means, keep having fun. Keep jerking off with Nazi uniforms on. Pant
pant pant. Don't believe me. Carry on. When and if tragedy occurs and blood
is spilled - remember I said this.

<Peggy Nadramia is not a political person. I AM. Did she ever have her phone
tapped? Her mail opened? Was she ever followed or called in to be questioned
by the FBI? Did she ever do subversive acts - REALLY subversive? NO! Does
she have any conception of what it would be like for a Cointelpro to be
launched against the COS? NO! I do. In fact, I and others familiar with this
wonder if it has BEEN done! Is this what we are seeing now? Who knows. NO
ONE WOULD KNOW!

Does anyone in the COS realize that the First Reich was the HOLY ROMAN
EMPIRE? Reich = Holy Roman Empire. So it is only amusing to me that Cultural
Christians are sexually hung up on, or sublimating their own inner rage on,
the Third Holy Roman Empire (Reich). It's a joke. As one old timer said to
me: "Too many kids with bald heads getting away with being assholes."

I can tell you something that can easily be proven and which both Mag's
Gilmore and Nadramia know. J.G., formerly a high agent of the ADL, retired
(??) from the ADL and set up a political amendment campaign, "Anti-Racial
Busing Campaign." Normally such things are very hard to get going and get
approved. However JG's was RUSHED through Tallahassee and approved
immediately by Lee Atwater. It got bigger, expanded, included more things
than just forced busing for purposes of forced integration. There were MANY
allies and don't you think we KNOW who they were? He was on TV -
immediately! He was GIVEN a cable show and had access to Heritage Foundation
(also on TV) and all that. All doors were open for him, no doors were shut.
SOMEONE wanted this to be done! And so it was. The specific issue of the
ARBC was the forced busing of school children for purposes of forced
integration. J.G., remember, formerly high agent in ADL, became a lifetime
member of quite a few right wing, acceptable, above board think tanks. And
by the way, we won in the right-wing Christian Supreme Court on the busing
issue. What were two people born into Satanic cultures (JG Ophite, myself
Tantrik/Pythagorean) doing cooperating with the Christian Coalition? Bending
people to our own Wills, joining people that never would have joined before
and MAKING IT HAPPEN. That's what Satanists DO; they don't go around
yabbering about SATAN or making targets out of themselves. That is a true
Working: we made our Wills MANIFEST.

Fascism, dictatorship, bosses, repressive atmosphere, all that, is the
diametric opposite of Satanism - not just modern Satanism, but even
Christian INVERSIONIST Satanism. It amounts to a clique of little boys,
failures in life's real competitive world, that get into the COS or the FCOS
or the TOS or whatever organization is out there, form their little cliques
of asskissers and dominators, and then commence to play DICK-tator within
the confines of these tiny little organizations. They have STIFLED speech
from the heart and promoted repressive secrecy - just like in any ultra
Christian home. They are NOT content to be "evil" in the eyes of the herd,
as Rev. Nemo spoke of in his Pseudosatanism article or as Peter Gilmore
keeps saying in defense of this trendiness (we note that he doesn't frequent
the places where this bullshit is going on so....). Defense of it? They play
this little game WITHIN the organization and on other members. They should
expect retaliation! And what prompted Stewart to even start this Project?
Eh, someone playing DICK-tator to him? I don't know what started him on this
since he never was able to quite articulate it. I did, however, see chat
logs (they were posted on alt.satanism) where the dialogue between him and
others in #satannet sounded like the script to a scene from a movie that
could be called, "Interrogation at the Lubyanka."

Who but a person used to some kind of utterly repressive home would tolerate
that kind of shitty treatment? Not anyone I know, not even a peacenik
Christian. Oh, former abuse victims would FIT RIGHT IN!!! THAT they have
either caused hundreds of people NOT to join after they got subjected to it,
or caused many others to turn away - or worse, join the ranks of those
pesteriing the COS (who knows what goes on in other organizations) so badly
now that it seems that magazines can't get produced on time, is not a
positive thing.

Now let me hear all the whaa whaa and excuses for saying it up front. Hey,
NO LOSS TO ME!!! :) It's no LOSS to me if someone prefers to "judge" those
who are turned away as "foolish, mistaken, blah blah blah." No LOSS to me.

In my opinion, it speaks volumes for those that DO turn against it: they
WILL NOT be lorded over by ANY petty-little-tyrant playing god. They raise
up their own clenched fist and say FUCK YOU. That is Satanic. That is
exactly what Satan in every myth said to "He Who Would Play God."

Have a nice day! I already did :)

You (I'm addressing Stewart, in an email to me) referred elsewhere to
something as infecting the COS? The COS? Or do you mean something that's in
a lot of places in society? How about TOS? Or FCOS? How about Wicca?
UFOlogy? New Age? I think you are referring to what I will give examples of
here.

Below is a statement made to a Catholic friend of mine by a woman she knew
as a close friend for 36 years. The woman said this as her reason for
completely severing what was a long-term close friendship:

New "Born Again" specific-Christian cult church member:"I am going to
completely sever any friendships or communication with those former friends,
acquaintances and even relatives who have refused to accept Jesus as their
Personal Savior and comply absolutely with the Written Word of God. I have
no contact at all with persons who are members churches that are, in fact,
the Synagogue of Satan, and that especially includes the Catholic Church. I
believe all of the things Pastor XXX has shown me are the true words of
Jesus Christ and not the distortions told to us by all other Christian
churches. I will continue to comply in every way I can to teach the true
word."

This person literally stopped talking to her own, quite-elderly mother and
father, not just to her Catholic friend.

Please compare this to something an alleged member of the COS once
said:"Long since, I have completely severed any friendships or communication
with those former CoS members who have refused to comply with CoS
regulations. I have no contact at all with persons who are members of CoS
enemy groups. I honor ALL of the regulations set forth by the CoS officials,
and I will continue to comply in EVERY way I can. I do not debate with
officials, and I am obedient to them in EVERY way. I will always be at the
service of the Church of Satan. Whether or not this is "satanic," I couldn't
give a wit!"

These statements would be enough to get both of these people on J. Edgar
Hoover's "suspect" list as being part of a cult. It's iffy for the Christian
but for the Satanist? Definitely, any member of any Satanic organization
would be watched. This person PERCEIVES it as a cult and behaves in a "cult
indoctrinated" manner, a cult with "Authorities" which he/she is "obedient"
to. The Christian really believes in what she has done, too. Both "believe."
Both have unwavering FAITH. Neither of these qualities is in the least bit
Satanic. But only one of these people thinks it is.

These behaviors have nothing to do with social systems or economics per se
at all. Many people who join cults are intelligent (in terms of school
smarts) and from the middle classes. Is this fascism? Well, in our society
this is called CULTISM - but what is Fascism? It's a BIGGER cult. It has the
same, identical dynamic and appeals to the same types of people.

[Tani Jantsang ©]

And here is SOME of Stewart's missing proof. You know, Tyagi, people
interested in friendly comraderie or chat in their own orgs don't get to
find out how to save full headers and log chats much. Stew didn't know how
to do any of that, not even "save as" a .txt file.

His photo in the paper where he's praising Der Fuehrer is on the page this
quote is on.

http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/sat-fasc-0116.html

In an interview with John Raptis of the "600 Club" (sic), Magister Jeff Nagy
of the Church of Satan (see picture above) had this to say to this question:

Question asked by the interviewer: "Do you see fascism as an integral role
of Satanism?"

Magister Nagy's answered: "You mean like the strong subjugating the weak?
Hell yes I do! One might as well ask,"do you see fascism alive in nature"?
Of course you do. There is no equality anywhere on the planet, and with
that, there are strong entities and weak one's. People should read 'Might is
Right' by Ragnar Redbeard for examples of fascism and inequality in action.
Nature is defined by strength, humanity by weakness. Non combative beings
make no progress. Fascism is the introduction of Primal Law!"

[Tani Jantsang ©]

Did Bobo read this - which Tim Stewart had up there?

Post by Tani Jantsang ©
And here is SOME of Stewart's missing proof. You know, Tyagi, people
interested in friendly comraderie or chat in their own orgs don't get to
find out how to save full headers and log chats much. Stew didn't know
how to do any of that, not even "save as" a .txt file.
His photo in the paper where he's praising Der Fuehrer is on the page this
quote is on.
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/sat-fasc-0116.html
In an interview with John Raptis of the "600 Club" (sic), Magister Jeff
Nagy of the Church of Satan (see picture above) had this to say to this
Question asked by the interviewer: "Do you see fascism as an integral role
of Satanism?"
Magister Nagy's answered: "You mean like the strong subjugating the weak?
Hell yes I do! One might as well ask,"do you see fascism alive in nature"?
Of course you do. There is no equality anywhere on the planet, and with
that, there are strong entities and weak one's. People should read 'Might
is Right' by Ragnar Redbeard for examples of fascism and inequality in
action. Nature is defined by strength, humanity by weakness. Non combative
beings make no progress. Fascism is the introduction of Primal Law!"

[Tani Jantsang ©]

Surely, he, who is still a COS member, was aware of WHAT he was writing
about here. And yes, I agree - NO ONE is my authority when it comes to some
stupid org or anything like that. The law is the law - sure. Ben wrote
this for Stewart's project.

17. ELITISM, FASCISM, & THE SATANIC WAY OF LIFE, BY BEN SCHULTZ

I am not sure exactly when this fascist ideology permeated a group of
enlightened beings or how we allowed it to slip through the cracks. I am
unaware of the origin of this plague on our way of life, but I do know the
disease is spreading fast. And, if left unchecked, may destroy our way of
life.

Those among you who have yet to truly see the root of these philosophies may
not understand my utter disgust with those who preach from this particular
pulpit all the while wearing their Baphomet like a "Red Badge of Courage."
But to one who has not only dissected the words of the Dark Doctrines and
works of Doctor LaVey, but has also taken the time to feel the spirit of
these works, it is apparent that one can not be both a Satanist and follow
either of these political philosophies. They ARE mutually exclusive
conceptualizations!

Our entire belief system is based on the concept of responsibility. We place
personal responsibility above all else. We are responsible for our successes
as well as our failures. We accept that no supernatural father figure is
looking down on us from on high guiding our every move. We believe that we
exist merely on our own merit, for good or ill.

To acknowledge anyone as a dictator or superior goes against the very nature
of our being. Furthermore, to be acknowledged as superior to another is also
against our nature. Some people may disagree, but my arguments are
convincing.

First, a dictator exists by the grace of his subjects. That means dictators
are dependent on another person or group of persons for their power. This is
not the way we are. It is the antithesis of our ideals. It exposes the low
self esteem of the person. It is NOT Satanic! It can not be by the very
basis of our beliefs. To be dependent on another for our self worth would
betray our sense of self, or it betrays the lack of true understanding. This
sad excuse for a Satanist would be living in the world of self delusion
while claiming to be a member of a group that defies illusion.

Do I mean by this that we are not superior? NO! By this I mean that
superiority is not a goal or even a concern for the true follower of the
Left Hand Path! We are too busy with the things that concern us! We do not
have the time to worry about what others may think of our achievements,
projects, or goals.

Which brings us to the real reason these disillusioned few turn to talk of
the elite and fascism. They crave power which they themselves are incapable
of achieving. The equate self worth with the clout they wield. The fools!
They continually search without for what must exist within if it is to exist
at all. To hide their own inadequacy they rally other like minded and
incompetent people to their infantile cries of superiority, stratification,
and elitism. They replace the foundation of responsibility with an attitude
of "I can do whatever the hell I please with absolutely no concern for
consequence." There is nothing Satanic about their rhetoric. They are not
Satanic! Fortunately, they will never understand the true power that freedom
and responsibility together can bring. This will be the root of their
undoing.

It has been said that a "house divided can not stand." Of this we need not
fear. These imbeciles have never been members of our house. They can not
destroy it. They admit, by their own actions, that they lack the power.

Ben, Mr. Faust

[Tani Jantsang ©]

2. From Brendan and good old Webster:

I was reading an email dialogue between Ole, Casey, and Tani, and wanted to
say something. I was thinking about what to write, when I decided to pick up
my dictionary and see how it defined fascism. The entries were concise and
on-target, so I will just type them up here and say a few words.

This is from the Merriam-Webster dictionary:

Fasces: Latin from plural of fascis, bundle; akin to Latin fascia (1598): A
bundle of rods and among them an ax with projecting blade borne before
ancient Roman magistrates as a badge of authority.

Fascism: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin
fascis bundle and fasces fasces. (1921):

1: often capitalized: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that
of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and
that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial
leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression
of opposition.

2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial
control.

3. Fascista: Italian, from fascio (1921): a member of an Italian political
organization under Mussolini governing Italy 1922-1943, according to the
principles of Fascism.

Satanism is traditionally and fundamentally individualistic and pro-loner.
Satanists hate and oppose any kind kind of regimentation, including economic
and social regimentation, because they restrict personal freedom.

For centuries the physical danger of forcible suppression has threatened
Satanists and any member of any minority religion within any nation. These
enemies are still around and are very powerful - if anything, they are
stronger than ever (Christian Coalition, hello?). Letting these enemies
represent and poison Satanism with their ways and ideas will lead to the
destruction of Satanism.

In every story written about Satan, in every single myth, Satan was at war
with the Powers On High That Be, and Satan (or Lucifer) was cast down by the
dictatorial Jehova, Allah, or God, usually with the help of a hierarchy of
angels. Satan is universally seen as a rebel, a critic, an adversary: the
Accuser that challenges the social and religious Establishment. People who
call themselves "Satanists" who support dictators or the establishment
hierarchies, rules, bully-like indimidations, chains of authority, and other
regimented impositions on personal freedom are not Satanists. What they are
is people who are committing a form of suicide: the negation of Selfhood.

These comments are based just on the obvious, superficial contradiction
between Satanism and Fascism. Many scholars have delved deeper into the
psychological and emotional aspect of the renunciation of individuality and
the escape from freedom. Such individuals – those attracted to fascism -
find freedom tormenting. My favorite old word for such people is "klippoth."

[Tani Jantsang ©]

4. From Casey Ley "OneDarkness" replying to emails Stewart sent her.

Stewart said: -"First, as we start the analysis of the ideal of Fascism
within the satanic movement...."-

These two words together "Fascism, Satanism" are an oxymoron. The two are at
opposite ends of a spectrum, not as any yin/yang, but opposite in the sense
that they completely cancel each other out.

Some background: Satanism has at its heart the perfect ideal of Darkness.
The Yin that became. As it became, it stretched forth. In its stretching, it
created. What it created was a Light born of Darkness, a Bright Darkness, or
"The Black Flame." The Darkness possesses itself and is whole. The Light is
made manifest FROM Darkness and is only whole while it PARTAKES of Darkness.
The two together are the Yin/Yang of existence. The two together are the
"Creation" we know. The two together, like everything whole, share in and
make manifest the "Will" of "Creation." That is, UNITED with Darkness, the
Light (Black Flame, in this context) is a creative Force. Can there be Yin
alone? Yes. Darkness was before, is now and will be after. Darkness is
ALWAYS capable of "Becoming" something different. It is the Ultimate source
of ALL that is. It can be said that Darkness IS all that is, for with out
it, there is NOTHING. Yang, on the other hand, ONLY exists as a PART of a
whole. Without its progenitor (Darkness) it has no place in "Creation."
Lacking a root in Darkness, the Light becomes a LIE. It is cold, brittle,
barren and dead. Is it still Light? Yes, but now it is a FALSE Light, and is
CONSUMMED by the awareness that it is OTHER THAN Darkness. Unlike Light
united with Darkness, which can be said to prize diversity above all else
and Wills toward Diversity (which is the will of Creation), this False Light
seeks, and Wills toward, the destruction of Diversity and the
psuedo-creation of sameness. In doing so, it is said to be at war with What
Is.

Fascism (the INNER REALITY, not the political ideal), having its genesis in
the Light ALONE, is diametrically opposed to the ideals of Satanism. Hence,
the fascist ideal has NO PLACE within the Satanic Ideal.

Stewart said: . "Of course the assertion made by Magistrate Nadramia in her
applaudable speculation of the similarities between the both parties are
noted and should be viewed for further historical, relevant data on the
research at hand."

If Magistra Nadramia thinks the two are in ANY WAY similar, Magistra
Nadramia is WRONG. See above. Magistra Nadramia also referred to the Dark
Force as a "very fascist force." WHAT? What kind of nonsense is that?
Magistra Nadramia is talking about politics (which she is not familiar
with), economics (which she is not familiar with) and the Dark Force (which
she also was not familiar enough with to argue and state what she meant to
the Temple of Set not so long ago.) A "fascist force?" Even atoms don't fit
that definition. Nor do space and time. The only thing that fits that
definition is a tree full of monkeys. The Dark Force in Nature is not even
any of the forces known in physics, nor can you use physics to formulate it
(you need the 2nd and 3rd "Laws" of Entropy to do that – and that's not even
physics). It is not fascist in any sense of the word: IT STANDS ALONE,
SOLITARY, UNIQUE and, to date- NOT FULLY UNDERSTOOD! I cite for proof this
article on this URL written by P. Marsh and J. Mengele

http://www.apodion.com/vad/dark/entropy_tech.shtml

Stewart mentioned: "In any case the Fascist, AKA Nazi....."

It has been said before. but I will say it again, the NAZI Party was,
politically, a NATIONAL SOCIALIST movement, the German WORKER'S Party.
Mussolini was the Fascist.

Stewart said: "The Fascists and Nazis politically believed in terminating a
weaker race in the case of WWII this was the Jewish Race, who's thought to
be a religion in some cases however scientists can now read by gene analysis
that is and what is not Jewish."

Another history lesson: Germans hated Jews because the Jews got the best
jobs (they were better qualified). Germans hated Jews because they had a
great deal of wealth (they had better jobs, and they worked harder). Germans
hated Jews because they were better educated (they were smarter). Germans
hated Jews because Germans were stupid, poor and starving. Germans hated
Jews because Germans saw the Jews as becoming too powerful and manipulating
the course of the German Nation. The cream, in other words, was rising to
the top. WHO was the weaker race? And let's not forget the Slavs, also
considered sub-human by the Nazi Party. Then there were the homosexuals.
Then there were the Gypsies, etc, etc. This is INTERNAL Fascism—"They're
different from us....let's kill them."Stewart said: "The best diagnosis they
know possible for the stratification that they seek could be found in an
ideal level of the most omnipotent political statement; this was Fascism.
This Was Nazism."

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but based on what I think you mean:
Germany HAD stratification BEFORE the Nazis rose up. The Germans wound up on
the bottom and they didn't like it. Stratification was NOT what they were
looking for. They sought the elimination of stratification via the
destruction of everything determined "detrimental" to the German State. (If
you think this makes them superior, consider that if a marauding band of
baboons were to assault a bunch of humans, they'd inflict a lot of damage.
And if you put a gorilla in the ring with a human, the human will lose.)

Stewart said: "But, the ideal was founded upon certain magical meanings
behind the ancient symbols involved. That, are looked upon as being "Evil"
like the Sigil of Baphomet the Swastika was considered to be a very
atrocious thing, the meanings though, are different, regardless of Herd
Misconceptions."

The swastika is as old as writing. It was NOT perceived as evil until AFTER
Hitler shit all over it.

Now that the background is out of the way, let's get down to it.

The COS, first of all, is a CHURCH, not a country; right away we know that
we are not dealing with "political theory." All that leaves us with is the
manifestation of an inner state in it's members. The irony of Stewart's
question is that there are INDEED similarities between the COS Fascist
faction's INNER Fascism and the Fascism perceived in the NSDAP. The Nazi
party was a party OPENLY formed to bolster the self worth of a flagging,
LOSING and WEAK people. The INNER Fascism at work in the COS is of the same
brand, only its adherents want us to believe that they espouse this doctrine
not out of weakness but, rather, out of a position of strength. The Germans
of the early 20th century were IN REALITY a beaten down, starving people.
The fascist element of the COS is a group JUST as beaten down and JUST as
starving; the only difference is that their agony is INTERNAL agony. They
are not a nation forced to pay crippling reparations, as was Germany after
WWI. They are not a Nation with no National economy to speak of, as was
Germany. The fascist faction of the COS, and, indeed, MOST of the LOSERS who
espouse Fascism as a way of life do so out of their own INNER feelings of
barrenness and lack of worth. They seek to bolster their self worth by
identifying with something they perceive as "powerful." Well, FOOLED AGAIN.
Fascism is the reaction of the WEAK against domination by the STRONG and
ABLE. Hardly a reaction worthy of the "Alien Elite." Or the "Aryan Elite,"
for that matter. It's a POWER TRIP, pure and simple. Not to mention the hard
on they get from jack boots. Gimme a break.

I still don't understand how ANYONE could make the mistake of thinking that
Satanism has ANYTHING in common with Fascism. Does it have anything in
common with the COS? ABSOLUTELY. Whiny little nothings who get off on the
"elite" bullshit are PRECISELY the kind of people this DRIVEL appeals to.
It's like "bait for klippoths." Just advertise that you are an organization
of the Elect of God (it doesn't matter which god) or the Alien Elite – it's
the same thing.

For the one millionth time: DO NOT make the mistake of thinking that the COS
in ANY WAY defines the term "Satanism." It DOES NOT. That would be like
saying "Baptist" defines Christianity. I know some fine Christians. I know
some fine members of the COS. It has been my experience, however, that BOTH
are dominated by the whiny, shrieking worthless scum of the order.
Interesting how they both turn to fascism, whether they are Baptists of
COSsers, wouldn't you say?

As Ole said, "The cause of effect of a war against life is a war against
life. That is, fascism is a war against life."

He hit the nail on the head. The Satanism of the COS is predicated on the
works of ASL. ASL said that a Satanist was a person who could FEEL the Dark
Force in Nature. Fascism has NOTHING of the Darkness within it. How then can
it (in LaVeyan terms) be in ANY WAY Satanic?

Casey Ley

[Tani Jantsang ©]

6. Casey Ley again, citing other respondents:

TJ Said: Fascism is NOT EVEN of the light (Black FLAME). It's the light
ALONE - NO darkness at all.

See, this has been my problem with this WHOLE discussion. This "faction"
keeps getting looked at and talked about on a COMPLETELY outer level...i.e.
their politics, their clothing, etc. While some of the things written during
this discussion have been both interesting and well said, it's not and never
has been, a political question. It, like EVERYTHING else, is an outward
manifestation of an inner state of being. I don't care about what someone
says their political beliefs are, any more than I care what someone says
their "religion" is. All these things are window dressings for the ONLY
thing that is real about Anything: BEING.

Fascism, as a WAY OF LIFE, not a theoretical principle, is DEVOID of Being.
How ANYONE could ever mistake it for anything even remotely Satanic is so
far beyond me as to inspire a headache.

Satanism IS Being.

Fascism is NON Being.

Satanism is that which IS

Fascism is that which STRIVES to BE, but NEVER IS.

Satanism is born from an ALL LIVING Darkness.

Fascism is the poisonous spawn of a brittle, dead FALSE LIGHT.

Satanism is the unfettered JOY of Being.

Fascism is the forever-chained DENIAL OF LIFE, and that is REPRESSION.

I DO NOT understand why/how ANYONE who CLAIMS to be satanic can be confused
on this point.

As to COS Fascists: Doc said that a Satanist is anyone who FEELS the Dark
Force in Nature. Does it not follow that anyone who DOES NOT is NOT a
Satanist? NO ONE who does feel it is CAPABLE of LIVING as a fascist.
Masquerading, sure, especially to save their neck if they live in a fascist
society. But BEING a Fascist? IMPOSSIBLE.

Fascism is the same tired shit all over again: oh LOOK, more klippoths. More
sun cult pieces of shit. More of the same "Light Alone" CRAP. Same song,
four hundred and fifteenth verse. NOTHING that is lacking in Darkness is
Satanic. Fascism has NOTHING of the Darkness in it. ERGO? It IS NOT Satanic.
WHERE is the debate in that???? And WHY does it KEEP getting debated EVERY
TIME these people show up in a new outfit?

TJ asked: I'm trying to figure out the "Freudian" connection - is there
something about that word? Fasces = Feces they feel like shit so they
wannabe Lords over others. They are anal compulsive as hell and totally into
the "dictator" thing, which they use to create an overbearingly suffocating
and repressive atmosphere. Hitler = Hit Her? Shitler? The fascist faction is
ALSO into dominance and submission, sado-masochism not just overtly but also
in a very "controlled" = repressed form. They are anal compulsive people.

No, I don't think it's the word. It's an IMAGE that appeals to pent up
pieces of shit that never got off. And THAT IS Freudian.

Ole Wolf said previously to TJ's question: I don't think there's a
"Freudian" thing about fascism in that it sounds like some anal retentive
obsession. Fascism goes in lock-step with authoritarian, sexual repression,
which may be the "Freudian" part of it. So, try this instead: The cause and
result of fascism is fascism. In turn, fascism arises from sexual
repression. The cause and result of sexual repression is sexual repression.
In turn, sexual repression arises from the inability to live freely. The
cause and result of the inability to live freely is the inability to live
freely. In turn, the inability to live freely arises from a war against
life. The cause of effect of a war against life is a war against life. That
is, fascism is a war against life.

EXACTLY. Somebody explain to me how that can be confused with Satanism?????

In reality, what happened in Nazi Germany was stratification turned inside
out, turned upside down on its head. Superior people, superior in ALL ways
that had already risen to the top in what was pretty much a "free market"
were beaten down by monkeys. They were considered DEMONIC! Consider that.

Post by Tani Jantsang ©
Here is SOME of it, Stewart complaining about SOME of it - and Metadromos
complaining about being threatened. Two things on here
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 05:42:44 GMT
Subject: "Spy Vs. Spy" MORE UNFOUNDED BULL SHIT
X-Status: Forwarded
X-Originating-IP: [172.139.173.96]
Dear Peter and Peggy,
It seems our boy, Rev Schlesinger imagines I'm "Spying"
for his so called "enemies" or should I say, for other psuedo Satanic
organizations. First I would like to illuminate a few things for you and
Peggy this very instant, I have never discharged any information to any
psuedo Satanic organization. Not that the Church of Satan has "big top
secret" we must hide anyway, and if their we're "big top secrets" I would
not be acquainted with them, not that I would really care. I have far more
additional things going on for me then to worry about people who imagine I
am "spying for the enemy" these people are the least amount intelligent
people I've ever encountered, and they inconsistently would like to add
multiples of idiocy of pure, bull-shit. You think I'm lying, examine the log
below, go ahead. This is the state of mind of Rev Andre Schlesinger, so
called "investigator" of the Church of Satan. I've never once role played
like children, "undercover agent" on anyone in or outside the CoS these
pastimes are for small minded people, with small minded objectives; It
should be in your best interest to consult with this person that I am no
such thing, I AM a member of the Church of Satan. You think doctor would put
up with this trifle, insiginifigent games they play with people: He would
have scoffed.
I'll enlighten you right now, this is partly about my Project 1: I offer an
objective look into this, and I do delve quite deeply into it. Matter of
fact, recently I have consulted with Mr. "Conspiritorium" to actually uphold
my intention, and original conviction of the objectivism I do so strive for,
personified by my Project which you two should be reciving copies when I am
finished, everybody knows that from my original letter. What does my project
have anything to do with their dillusional ideas of spying, again, I repeat,
I gave them all a chance to "articulate their peace". I even said I agreed
with them that the people who DO play "spy vs Spy" Are very stupid, but I
did not say it in those precise words.
You should be getting an e mail, anytime now whining about "I've done this
with so and so" blah blah blah, just bear in mind this is coming from people
who would like to degenerate the CoS into the very thing we are against,
klippoths. No, better yet, I'm going to give you an extract of one of John C
Davis' E mails to give you an idea what I'm talking about...
"Does anyone think Doktor would have put up with this shit? Does anyone
think he would have turned a mild eye on this crap? Yes, our High Priest is
dead. Yes, that sucks, and it is interfering with our coherence.
However,
Dr. LaVey left in place a High Priestess and a Council that he trusted to
take us into the next century. He left in place a fully healthy Church of
Satan. What are we doing to his vision and to his organization? Are we
going to destroy them both? Are we going to allow the in-fighting and the
fake churches/organizations to take us down?"-John Davis
His assertion was enormously correct, and GOD DAMNIT I am a CoS member, like
a soap opera they have to give vent to, because they feel insiginifigently
miniature, they hate to see another COS associate actually do something,
create projects that do not fit their scheme of what Satanism is: And here I
am thinking diversity is the key, and because I am diverse, I hold a
differing opinion, I'm a "spy" keep this in mind, both of you, I ask what is
the point of the below? Trying to prove something, perhaps? "My faction is
better than your faction"? Church of Satan members spying on other Church of
Satan members? Does that make sense to you? It doesn't to me. Take a long
good look at what John wrote, I challenge anyone to prove me other wise, in
context with what I've said.
Lets Make History...
Timothy STEWART Epperhart
Student, Satanic Combat Sciences
<sleepdirt> Yes?
<Rev_Ventrue> yeah, I should start up a mailing list called the F-Word :)
hehe
<Rev_Schlesinger> you have known me for a few years now..
<Rev_Schlesinger> yes.. and The Satanic Fascita Council..
<Rev_Schlesinger> anyway..
<Rev_Schlesinger> you have known me for a few years now..
<WolfAtHartSCS> That sounds quite promising Rev Ventrue.
<Rev_Schlesinger> better than a lot of the morons that have come in here for
the past several months..
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<Rev_Schlesinger> you know me about as well as Rev Ventrue..
<Rev_Schlesinger> and you have seen some of my work and helped me with some
of my covert missions..
<Rev_Schlesinger> so tell me.. and the class...
<Rev_Schlesinger> what do WE do with spies?..
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<Guest06197> I'm new and want to know more about satanism
<Guest06197> can anyone help?
<Rev_Schlesinger> Sleep has a 13 sec lag on him..
<sleepdirt> Most spies are not treated well. In fact, the punishment for
treason or espionage in this country is the death penalty.
<Rev_Schlesinger> so says the law..
e who break the lw fgo to the House of Pain..
<sleepdirt> Damn. A newbie that actually paid attention to a suggestion.
<thought_police> heh..
<thought_police> anyway..
<thought_police> yes..
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<thought_police> and those who break the lw fgo to the House of Pain..
<sleepdirt> Damn. A newbie that actually paid attention to a suggestion.
<thought_police> heh..
<thought_police> anyway..
<thought_police> although I am in the spy business myself..
professionally
as a PI..
<thought_police> I detest people spying on me, my friends, and my
organization..
our organization..
<thought_police> it is.. how do they say?.. in BAD TASTE..
<WolfAtHartSCS> hmmmm... I would agree with you, actually.
This is where I was kick/banned
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:13:13 -0700
Subject: No more for me.
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*** Topic is 'For Chat Room Rules go to =
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<Rev_Schlesinger> membership applications take weeeks to process..
<Rev_Schlesinger> and..
<sleepdirt> I waited 8 months for my active application.
<boang> not really its just that hunting in the philippines seems to be =
always open
<Rev_Schlesinger> since the COS now has many more people applying for =
membership since our website went up..
<Jo_Violent> 100 dollars isn't much so I sent it to them.
<sleepdirt> When I got it, I was wondering who in San Francisco was =
sending me mail. Thought it was from my aunt.
<Rev_Schlesinger> the processing time is much longer..
<Jo_Violent> I am thinking about sending more just for the hell of it.
<Rev_Schlesinger> and there is a very limited number of people who =
actually do all the paperwork at Central Grotto..
<Jo_Violent> Really?
<Rev_Schlesinger> really..
<NarMattaru> Hello
<tSNBot> How many times do I have to say hello? NarMattaru
<NarMattaru> heh
<IronWill> hello Nar
<NarMattaru> hey IronWill!
<NarMattaru> Oh you know I am Metadromos....right?
<NarMattaru> lemme change nick
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<Rev_Schlesinger> uh..
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<Rev_Ventrue> and you are in here why?
<Jo_Violent> Hey Rev.Schlesinger me?
<Metadromos> Why not?
* Rev_Schlesinger slips on his jackboots..
<Rev_Ventrue> Don't you have a different chatroom you should be in..
* Rev_Schlesinger pops in his monicle and takes up his riding crop..
<Jo_Violent> puts on his quick-getaway jet-pack.
<Rev_Schlesinger> the music of Hogans's Heroes plays in the background..
<Jo_Violent> snickers
<Metadromos> Well, I chat in a few rooms now and then...but if you mean =
#satanmuse, what's the difference? Both CoS rooms.
<Metadromos> Am I not welcome here?
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<IronWill> ohh its YOU
<Rev_Ventrue> No, big difference..
<Jo_Violent> This is the best site on the web.
<Jo_Violent> Hands down.
<Rev_Ventrue> this is a Real Pro-CoS room.. not a "cant we all just get =
along" room...
<Jo_Violent> I am not familiar w/the term metadromos....
* Rev_Schlesinger askes the class "what do we do with spies?"..
<Jo_Violent> shoot them
<Gorgos> Send them out for pizza?
<Rev_Schlesinger> BINGO!
<Metadromos> You think I am a spy?
<Rev_Ventrue> Not a "just cuz you hate the CoS, that does not mean we =
hate you" room
<Rev_Schlesinger> both right..
<IronWill> give them confusing instructions so they get lost
* Gorgos sings "I am a spy in the house of love"..
<sleepdirt> Most spies are not treated well. In fact, the punishment =
for treason or espionage in this country is the death penalty.
<Rev_Schlesinger> did I "say" that?..
<Rev_Schlesinger> hmmm..
<Metadromos> It was a question.
* Rev_Schlesinger tuns on the hot lights..
<Rev_Schlesinger> what do you think?..
<Metadromos> I think the whole thing is WAY overblown.
<Metadromos> but...
<Rev_Schlesinger> would you like a glass of water?..
<Rev_Schlesinger> a cigarette?..
<Jo_Violent> need a light jacko?
<Rev_Schlesinger> would you like me to turn down the hot lights and tell =
the bad man to stand outside?..
<Rev_Ventrue> Well its come down to "choose who you love" ... pick a =
room and stick with it, I am tired of playing musical rooms with people =
and I am tired of the people in that room spreading lies about us... so =
it has been done, everyone is to pick a room now.. and stay there...
<Rev_Schlesinger> the way the certain "COS members" are treating other =
COS members in public is fuck'n disgusting...
<Rev_Ventrue> Iron,,, look at your messages..
<Rev_Schlesinger> I persoannaly have had nothing nice to say about a =
certain matter so I have kept my mouth shut..
<Rev_Ventrue> So Meta, you have a choice.. and thats that..
<Rev_Schlesinger> actually many certain matters..
<Rev_Schlesinger> if people want to talk shit about me, the Rev =
Ventrue.. and my other friends...
<Metadromos> I do agree that it is sad. Especially when it comes to =
friendships being destroyed, but if you are giving me an ultimatum =
(nobody has yet done this) then I will treat it as I do all ultimatums.
<Rev_Schlesinger> they are not only not welcome here..
<Metadromos> Have a good day.
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7. From Jeff Gerber replying to what Julia said to Stewart,

Julia said: "From reading Mein Kampf, my impression was always that the Jews
were not viewed as a weaker race, but as a scheming, evil race, just as
strong as the Aryans in their own way, but skewed and maniacal, not
possessing their own culture and bent on dominating others. This is quite
different from a weaker race, no?"

Jeff Gerber formerly of the ADL comments to Julia's post

It has been the fortune of the Jewish People to be viewed as Sorcerers in
League with Devils by the Christians around them. They were encircled by
Christians in the West since the Diaspora. I get a chuckle out of knowing
the history of Jews that invented "Books of King Solomon" to sell to
grasping "goyim" that wanted to "learn magic." There is a sucker born
everyday. Of course, suckers are stupid.

It was not through any fault of our own that we survived. On the contrary,
we were smarter and more "cunning" one might say, which is only a form of
intelligence maligned exclusively by the "Aryans" or Anglos, (W.A.S.P.
types) as pointed out by Erskine in his essay "The Moral Obligation to be
Intelligent," an indictment of "Anglo Saxon" stupidity alongside a
superstitious "WASPish" fear of "Wisdom." Odd, I never thought of myself as
"cunning" or "evil" for being able to call stocks on the money. I merely use
my brain. With this, I enrich myself and my close friends. I do not enrich
my enemies. In other words, "us first, fuck anybody else." That's very much
like "me first." Is there something wrong with that? Who says so: a
Christian?

Adolf Hitler's teenaged profile fits in well with many of the indolent,
jobless teens who can't get girlfriends that we see today hooked on fantasy
role playing games and going nowhere fast. Hitler's fantasy role playing
consisted of Wagnerian fantasies. He was a flophouse bum, worse than
"trailer park trash" and nothing more. He didn't even have a girlfriend, an
abnormality in itself (he wasn't gay either).

In a society of Prussian (Bismarck) aristocrats, land owners and illiterate
serfs, the Jews came into Germany with nothing except their own culture and
intelligence. Far from having no culture, we have preserved our culture and
kept it intact and, for the most part, kept the non-Jews out of it. In this
early capitalist and half feudal dog-eat-dog society, the Jewish People rose
to the top in every profession they entered. They did this solely on their
own merit. That was real stratification. What the Nazis or Fascists did was
turn stratification upside down on its head. Hitler even gave speeches
against intellectuality. Yet the only "physical" strengths he ever advocated
raising up were through normal physical activities. "The Eternal Jew" gives
a clear picture of what they thought of the Jewish People. They praised the
physical laborer who obviously couldn't think past his immediate wants or
use foresight, and hated the merchant. They really loved their
almost-cave-men. If Hitler were alive today, he would be the proponent of
illegal alien sweat shop workers and migrant farm workers. Why? Because
illiterate farm workers predominated in the German countryside and were
"valued" and idealized by the Nazi idealists. It was the "brain work" of
those clever enough to think of marketing products that the Nazis hated:
this was clearly in the hands of the Jews of that time. Only through using
brute baboon force were the Nazis able to "beat" the Jews. Inferior? Hardly.
If marketing products can be said to be "maniacal and dominating" then let
us look at it. What's maniacal about marketing products? Mass production
brought us into the modern century and out of the backward feudal age. What
is wrong with dominating the market if you can do this? Those who can: DO!
Those who can't: COMPLAIN.

We don't have a culture? Oh yes we do. It's just not Christian culture, not
at all; if anything it is anathema to the Christian culture. Evil and
scheming? Let me laugh, Julia: do you mean we Jews are Satanic?

Jeff Gerber (My credentials are on Hr.Vad's website. My so-called "Satanic"
credentials, if one chooses to call it that, come from my Ophite father:
these are Jews that venerate the "Serpent of Wisdom." We are Deists, not
Theists.)

[Tani Jantsang ©]

10. From Phil Marsh to Unknown

Someone asked about this statement: - uh, I wonder if he considered himself
a parasite?

"Nature, in her ineffable wisdom, wastes nothing. Seemingly useless but
parasitic or destructive persons should be used like clay pigeons: for
target practice"-Anton LaVey

I'll answer that one. Key word is "seemingly." The fact is, Nature in Her
ineffable Wisdom (that's right) has seen to it that a great majority of life
on earth uses parasitism as an extremely viable strategy for survival - and
such creatures have evolved methods of predation that make lions look like
lambs in comparison.

This quote of LaVey's is not much different from some of the "Pat Buchannan
and the Christian Coalition should WIN the election" rants posted by Tani
Jantsang as a wake up call to the sleeping herd, a reminder of just where
they are and who they are in relation to the society at large. I see that
the herd stands unreminded, still sleeping. It is no surprise to me that an
organization of freethinkers mocking organized religion's hypocrisy, would
evolve into one where "DOC SAID" becomes Scripture. Jesus said parables.
Some fools wrote them all down. They have become Scripture. You know the
rest of that story. It seems to be what some humans do when they get
organized, especially around a person who died.

There has never been a President elected to office in the USA that was not a
Christian or from a Christian background even if only in name. But today
Christians have a powerful coalition and candidates they want as president,
senators, you name it; they aim to take over. We all know what Christians
are and what they want to do. It surprises me that neither LaVey himself
when saying this, nor people quoting it, see that everything that ever came
forth from the COS or Doc is viewed as "destructive" to the Christian way of
life, nor do they realize that Christians who rule this country would see
Doc and the entire COS as parasites to be used as the clay pigeons.

LaVey was a human being. He lived through urban sprawl, inner city
destruction, impossible rises in cost of living (where the ice cream cone is
no longer five cents), and everything else that has caused the herd to "move
to the extreme right" politically. It surprises me personally that Doc did
not have the same clarity of sight he had when he was younger, the clarity
to see through all of it and KNOW with Undefiled Wisdom: WHO BENEFITS -
because surely, some few have benefited at the cost of everyone else,
including Doc. It does not surprise me that a bunch of herd followers now in
the COS are using his every word, even words lacking clarity, as Scripture.
It does not surprise me, but it does sadden me.

Philip Marsh

[Tani Jantsang ©]

This is IN the project, however - Stew wanted it because he thought it was
informative. It might be good to inform you that Stewart became Les
Master's Lover. Les Masters was formerly a MAG in the FCOS - but was a
member of the SR at the time Stewart and he became lovers.

17. Citizen Stewart to TJ, back and forth until TJ got tired of trying to
read it.

Stewart asks: The reason I am asking these questions is that so you may
reply, so that the readers may actually understand if they too have some of
the same questions that I have, ok?

Answer: Sure, but I don't see what more there is to say here. Either you put
up with assholes or you don't. I'm not saying Nazis are assholes. I'm saying
that the Nazi or Fascist element in the COS that you dealt with are
assholes. Who doesn't know this? I got more complaints about it in 3 years
than the COS has members. LOL. There are Nazis in other Satanic
organizations too: I have no idea if they are also assholes.

Stewart asks: Are they trying to destroy the CoS, and most importantly when
will these people come out of the closet and reveal themselves, or are they
right in front of our faces?

Answer: They? The Christian Coalition? The Christian Coalition is not only
in front of your face and our faces, but they got Jeb Bush, the Governor of
Florida, voted in despite Buddy McCay and others telling everyone he was a
Christian Fascist - something that Jeb Bush didn't even bother to deny! In
fact, that won Jeb Bush the Governorship! What I just explained (initial
letter in Part One) about the coalition of Christians banded together is
what they THEMSELVES constantly talk about with admiration of their own
success! It's no secret - it's not in any closet. Anyone who is not aware of
this LIVES in a closet! What do you think that a coalition is? It is a
FASCES. OK, what is a fasces? The image is of a bundle of branches tied
together. Imagine each Christian variation, each little Christian church in
every little town, is a branch, and other religions (main ones, like
Catholic and even some Jews) are other branches. Branches are easy to break
when they are single branches. COMBINE these branches into one tight bunch
and tie them together. Now you have something as strong as a club: this is
called a "fasces."* When the fasces is not branches, but is organizations of
many Christian organizations (which have many people in them) - it's called
a COALITION. Christian Coalition. Christian Fascism! This is a correct term.
(*Yeah, yeah, the Romans had this. The Huns and Jenghis Khan also had it
with arrows tied together representing ALL the clans joined as one
conquering force.) If you mean the people you've been running into in the
COS, they are out of the closet. Don't you read the Black Flame? You talked
to them and they were pretty open (albeit heavy handed) about it. They are
in front of your face, obviously.

Stewart asks: In the eighties, a great disdain grew over the flower power,
peace, love and dope mentality that persisted in the 1960's (This was also
evident in the CoS back then!) The symbolic representation could not, ever,
smash us real Satanists within -or- standing on the outside looking-into it.
Now, those on the outside looking in or on the inside looking outside could
very well be the problem presenting themselves in a position a great
hierarchy, a position of power and superiority which would catch the
attention of somebody that nobody in the COS wants to be involved with, but
in this case it is too late, but this can not be handled in terms of
Citizenship but it must be dealt with from the HP.

Answer: I have no idea if the HP is aware of factions within the CoS,
especially factions that want to MAKE the CoS into the NSWPP or KKK! When
LaVey became aware of a little bit of it, he threw some people out; he threw
Bruce Ithier out on his ass in 1976 or 1977 - Ithier was a total Nazi. And
Michael Aquino has a bunch of letters LaVey wrote him against these types
sneaking into the COS, he mentioned that on alt.satanism openly. We couldn't
get copies. But they are openly back in the CoS again and probably in other
organizations as well. I DO know that the real neo Nazis are aware of it and
they DO name names, and I doubt that the ADL or people like Morris Dies are
not aware of it. I think these would-be Nazis are a tiny minority in the COS
and possibly in other Satanic orgs, and some whole Satanic orgs are openly
Fascist as Ms. Selwyn explains and as many admit, but they are VERY LOUD -
they are NOT LONERS; they are attention seekers. See below for comment on
"druggie utopia culture."

(Note added after this conversation: Poor Stewart was asked to name names.
He's apparently afraid to. I'm not. OK: Logs exist of Jeff Nagy getting
caught pretending to be Liz Dictator talking to Iron Will saying that he
wants it all to be Fascist or Nazi - he doesn't know the difference. He
mentions some that are "with him" on this, KS Anthony is one mention and
Faustus Scorpius himself or www.november9.org names Moynihan and enough
others are named in articles written by the fascist faction themselves. All
dye hard foot stomping Nazis. That's cool, just FUCK OFF and don't bother
people who are Not Interested - something Ms. Liz Dictator Jeff Nagy didn't
understand when he shit disturbed and started a fight. We have printed the
Faustus Scorpius article here. Rumor has it that Chris Turner of
Conspiratorium is one of them, or so Stewart was told this)

Dealt with? The HP dealing with it? (I do have a knack for PHOPHECY heh
heh....) They'll deal with YOU, Stewart; you were already told to shut up
and watch out by more than one person. You were called a spy for hell's
sakes! Too bad you didn't log all of it save emails with full headers!

Stewart asks: It's also my understanding that wasn't the intentions to begin
with, an admiration for Charles Manson a Cultist who compelled people to
kill for him, and he also killed is a rather bit far fetched ESPECIALLY to
treat him as a gifted philosopher.

Answer: this was primarily the doing of Nikolas Schreck. Charlie Manson was
a loser and a misfit, and only the most uneducated of fools would find merit
in ANYTHING that man had to say. He should have simply and quietly been put
to death for his crimes. I remember back when it all happened. Manson was a
destructive person and IS NOW a parasite living the high life in jail.
Government should SHOOT HIM like a clay pigeon.

Stewart asks: One thing they do have a point is, he did fuck up their vivid
pipe dreams of a Utopia of a drug using society. Is that the point? No, he
killed people and USED these symbols, engraved them into his fore head and
all of a sudden he's some kind of "mascot for Satanism in the eighties"? or
mascot for Satanism in general. Explain that.

Answer: Charles Manson was a drug user himself. This is only the idea of
those who are completely unaware of the NON-drug activities and tremendous
things happening in the country back then. For some very strange reason, the
youth of THIS generation have a total lack of information about these
non-drug MAJOR happenings in the country! I find that remarkable. WHO has
kept this information from the youth of today? Major things happened in the
country that had nothing to do with drugs: the anti-war movement, the
Women's rights movement (not feminism), the alternative religion movement
WHICH COS IS NOT ONLY INTRICATELY A PART OF BUT OWES ITS VERY EXISTENCE TO,
and the Gay and Black rights movements. None of these things involved drugs
or pipe dreams of a utopia. The hippie drug scene was mostly a pack of
Cultural Christians, spoiled little bourgeois brats with too much time on
their hands, or Drug Guru professors on the payroll of the CIA. They had NO
political awareness at all.

Stewart asks: The Government is in favor of the Christians already. Let the
churches pay taxes, see how fast the national debt would be wiped out. You
think they would be in favor of that? Hell no. And what would become of this
country if we put the Christians in more power, say, how long has it been
anyway since the last Inquisition? This is all covered in The First
Amendment, I protect that right, put them in more power and see, watch it
all just fade away like it never even... existed!

Answer: I was hoping that ALL Satanists already knew this fact!!! I do
believe that the Wiccan and Pagan communities know it all TOO well. Are they
more aware of the real world than Satanists are? And if they are: WHY?
Perhaps they are not the ones living in a pipe dream at all.

Stewart asks: So what if they do take the money raised the wages for the
working class as opposed to the industries that would get the profit. That's
their right to profit, how about this, shut down all the large industries
companies, have the working class lose all their jobs due to the fact that
the people who own these have no way of paying up due to the fact that his
money is going into paying the working class citizen 1 and 2 distributing
supplies, however not as many supplies, therefore not as much work FOR the
working class citizen.

Answer: lol - have you been reading Karl Marx? That COULD happen. What would
happen if it did? REVOLUTION!!! Have you ever lived through a riot, gotten
shot at by many bullets and shot people back? I have. It's NOT fun.
Understand something: these "big industries" are NOTHING without people
working IN them MAKING the junk they make and sell at HUGE profits - profits
they never share with the people who MADE the junk! They also get the metal
and petroleum for plastic parts and etc. from pure exploitation of 3rd world
labor and resources! It's a spiraling vortex of consumption. And when
overproduction crashes into underconsumption by people who can't afford to
buy the junk? That's a "crisis in capitalism." And when industries move away
to hire cheaper labor? What if those workers refuse to work? Nothing gets
made without the TOILING HANDS that make the junk. The industries are
NOTHING without the working classes! What good is a factory with equipment
and no one to work the equipment? And what good are millions of new cars if
no one buys them?

Stewart asks: So guess what, Mr. Pat Buchannan can go to Hell. I'm all in
favor for making work available for everybody that means everybody who has
the right toward advancement. "Every dog has it's day" and the Christians
had theirs, they fucked it up, they know. They bit the very hand that fed
them, the people, the individuals whom got slaughtered throughout the two
thousand centuries. It was illegal for Social Darwinism to be taught in
schools, in the twentieth century it persisted, remember the "Satanic Panic"
scare? They raided Aquino's house, looked throughout all of his personal
belongings, and even DARED to mention "his living room was painted black"
took him to court, what happened? They didn't have an inch of evidence
against him. And all this despite He is Not a Satanist! You know what that
is, that's self destruction. You spelled it out so everyone could hear, loud
and clear what a klippoth is. Just imagine how they'd react to the Real
Satanists!

Answer: there is no question here - I agree with the sentiment. Social
Darwinism is not an evolutionary biological reality. It is nothing but a
SOCIAL concept - it is pseudo-science! It is Darwin grossly misinterpreted
and taken outside of real biology. (Read a real biologist: Niles Eldredge:
"Redefining Darwin." He explains it all in simple words and explains what
"social" Darwinism is and how that pseudoscience came into being.) Oh, Pat
Buchannan is very pro labor for working class American citizens, by the way.
Aquino is a Satanist of another kind. And some of your COS people actually
blamed Michael Aquino for his own persecution regarding Presidio. They
called him by the names used in the Presidio case, and so forth. One present
COS member, formerly a TOS member who turned Catholic for awhile (before
joining the COS) even insisted that the SRA stories were real. I saw some of
this printed out, and heard about the rest of it where they blamed Aquino
for his own persecution. If I had been online at the time, I'd have stuck up
for Aquino as a HERO that fought for ALL of Satanism, not just his TOS. He
deserves a medal for it.

If you think raiding Dr. Aquino's house is an outrage - consider this: they
COULD raid your house, arrest you, hold you without bail and no avenue to
legal help. They COULD shoot you. They COULD give you a lobotomy or electro
shock therapy. They COULD torture you. They COULD. And in many many places
in the world - THEY DO. You know we chat with a fellow called SmokingMirror.
He mailed $100 in an envelope to the Church of Satan. The letter never left
Columbia. They came for him. They arrested him. They interrogated him. And
he can't leave unless the DAS (like our FBI) clears him of his CRIMINAL
RECORD. But what is Smoke's crime? He wrote to the Church of Satan. They
COULD have shot him. They could have done anything they wanted to do. What
the the COS do? They treated Smoke like a pariah, like they treatred you.
He's not afraid to say "to hell with that." He washed his hand of them. Get
that through your heads. The Christian Coalition is a reality - they are
POWERFUL and they aim to take over this government. And what would want to
make here? Christian Fascism. WAKE UP! (I betcha they don't wake up.....)
Let them find any excuse to reinstate the old Co-intel-pro and heh, they'll
do it in a minute, and it will be worse with the technology we have today.

Stewart says: Again, here this is not a very surprising thing to me, not at
all. As for Jeb Bush winning despite the fact he wouldn't bother denying,
what is there to deny when there is nothing. Fact is, as long as we are the
Minority, and the Christian Coalition is in power we can't do anything About
it. The people voted for him, the herd minded fools who swarm like viscous
bees protecting their Queen. And in this case they did just that. What can
we do about that? Mag. Tani Jantsang has mentioned in her article "Mastering
Satanism" that they are in fact Satanic organizations, this cannot be
doubted, and not even in the least it's seriousness.

Answer correcting his misconception (lol, inside joke): These are not
Satanic organizations. They are Christian organizations but they no longer
represent the majority of their own Christian people. That does not mean
they are Satanic. They aren't. If the lay Christians, the hard working
honest Christian people, knew what these organizations were up to, they'd
call them traitors to the USA. They won't get hip to it, they'll be duped
and follow along with it.

Stewart continues: The significance is founded those who would disorient us
and weave their way into "the established system" and cause all of the
trouble they can, and even perhaps use controversies to attract attention.
Indeed, Satanism is a controversy, but is it a controversy in the form of
burning churches down, proclaiming that one race is more "strong" then the
other and what is strong, how could those foolish ingrates have
misinterpreted "Might is Right" by the Honorable Ragner Redbeard. Right is
Right, and reason is in season for every last individual who thinks they can
tear down the Infernal Empire upon which the Doktor Anton Szandor LaVey
founded, dumb founded dip shits scurry about in their herd, there Fasces,
and right wing political movements- and What do they know about US anyway?
The controversy? I'll tell you right now what controversy is, controversy is
murdering over a five thousand or more people for the sake of religion for
the mistake that many have misinterpreted "Might" over the last 2000
years!!! The "controversy" isn't found in these so called impotent Magical
symbols, if they ever were Magical symbols, and they were used for that
specific belief that revolves and encircles it then it very well is not
controversy! No! No! No! It is wrong if it is to be used for that specific
purpose, "Behold the cross, what does it represent: Pallid incompetence
hanging on a tree" and as long as their incompetence reins, not much can be
done about it. Eat it out like Cancer, exterminate them, and every Fascist
Satanic individual will be, and might be Might, but it certainly will never
be Left, nor right nor anything in between the two. Yes, it will be under a
right wing mentality, a Christian mentality, Genocide, getting it?
Inquisition? The riddle isn't that hard to answer, you would have to be
stupid not to see that, and stupidity should-be-painful. And in their case,
self-destruction, it is, and will be. The Governor of Florida flourishes on
what is Might, he thrives upon their very existence, the only thing there is
left to do is ADVANCE, advancement is the key, and the combination to open
it is different for every person, the postulate is undefiled Power,
Undefiled Wisdom and most importantly the use of our First Amendment right
that we all have to exorcise in order to advance and it's up to you if you
would like to open that door, but never Misplace the key.

Answer: And if We The People (the majority) have no clue what the Amendments
are? Then We The People will be duped, deceived and not even know what we
have given up. Remember: "IT" can happen here too. Americans are far too
comfortable in America to REALIZE that. That is why I occasionally post a
sarcastic post saying something like "Pat Robertonson SHOULD WIN" which is
in effect saying that I'm HAILING the Christian Coalition's most FANATICAL
faction! I PERSONALLY would stand nothing to lose if he did win - AND TAKE
OVER. All that would be needed is to fabricate an emergency (Islamic
terrorist bombing, or linking "ALL the Negroes" to Islamic terrorism - a
good excuse to round them all up, something like that, Islamic terrorists
sneaks in posing as a Mexican illegal alien, etc.), and declare a State of
Emergency: in which case the President of the USA BECOMES a dejure
DICTATOR - DEJURE!. But the great majority of people in the COS? What would
they lose? Ha Ha Ha. Everything.

Stewart comments on previous reply: So what your saying makes sense in terms
of these individuals having a Fasces, yes, however it must be understood
that a lot of Christians can't even agree with each other most of the time,
and when they aren't arguing what "path" leads to Heaven or Hell, I can see
this type of thing happening.

Answer: RUBBISH! These are trivial disagreements on spiritual matters. They
DO FOLLOW THEIR LEADERS AND DO AS THEY ARE TOLD: GOOD SHEEP! And what their
leaders are preaching has NOTHING to do with heaven or hell - OR Jesus! It's
MIGHT MAKES RIGHT! Brute Force. Take Over. FIND ME the Fundamentalist
Christian that truly believes in heaven, hell, the soul and Armageddon who
DOES NOT put money in his flesh and blood 4 year old's worldly bank account
for that kids FUTURE worldly college education! HA! So much for the spirit.

Stewart continues on previous reply: The Catholic Church is trying to do
exactly that, right now, however, I do not think it is going to happen where
it got so bad where I couldn't get a job and pay my bills on time, and most
importantly live a Satanic lifestyle.

Answer: I hope these don't serve to be famous last words!

Stewart continues on previous reply: But Magistra Jantsang does have a
highly valid point, in which every Satanist should take note of the Highly
valued essay entitled "Mastering Satanism" which gets into how Satanic
Organizations in this day and age are being surrounded, it's called
Christian Encirclement. This is hardly a joke and I feel that essay should
be a must read for those Satanists reading this article.

Answer: Dream on. Most of those preaching this fascist rubbish never even
read the hallmark article Roots One of Satanism, nor have they read
Evolution Christians and Setians. They don't want to KNOW anything at all.
They want to Play Fascist. They HATE our Satanic stuff and think that the
respect we EARNED came from the mere commentary polemic on HrVad's website.
It didn't. Why do they dislike us? Because we refute all they are: we refute
Cruxtoids. These morons, even the best of them, don't realize that they are
thoroughly in tune with the HERD REACTION to liberal draconian FASCIST
tyranny previously forced on the nation in certain areas of social life (not
all areas) - forced - why? in order to CAUSE this easily predicted reaction?
They are such PUPPETS yet they have no clue who their puppet masters are?
They don't even realize they are being manipulated! That's pretty pathetic!
The holders of the strings PULL and they REact. They are thoroughly IN TUNE
with the mass herd reaction right now: AND too stupid to even realize it.
And LIKE the herd which needs religious justification or pseudo-scientific
justification, they are having delusions about hierarchies in nature!
IDIOTS! STUPID! In which case, I HOPE ROBERTSON WINS - just so that I may
see these idiots languish in concentration camps. I'd even volunteer for the
job of guard, praising JEEEEEEzuus all the way. As a Serpent, I'm thoroughly
in favor of GIVING Adam just what he wants: APPLES - i.e., a CURSE upon his
generations. Shit, I'd BUY a gas chamber and rent it out cheap.

Stewart asks: I do understand that, but what I'm trying to say is there is a
very high chance that could happen. Take away the money that would usually
go into paying the people who make the products for the people who make the
goods, take away their power, where do they go, they go to where to profit
is, why, because there's not as much money involved. On the other hand if we
would lower the rate, make living a little simpler for the working citizen,
then yeah, however the construction of houses wouldn't be a very popular
endeavor if they wouldn't get paid as much as they do now. They get paid
good money. And so do those who are getting a profit, who never share the
money, but again, that is their right toward advancement, in that system
there should never even be any people holding other people down, because
when you hold it down, that's not going to erase the problem. Because if you
put that ONE industry over power of everything else, and that is where the
profit is, what happens if they are a Christian? How many active Christians
are there today? Have I ever lived through a riot? I have never even seen a
riot, riot is anarchy, pure anarchy, and even in without a Government the
Herd will still need something to stand by. We have a government, they have
something to stand by, however the government is not standing by them- The
Atheists and every single alternative religious creed will be on them, and
they would never hear the end of it, and that is good. Hey, they're standing
behind us, the Satanic, the Wiccan, the Pagan, the Atheist, the philosopher,
the... Whatever! You get the idea. What the problem here is, is that
regardless of this fact we are still the minority, and while they might not
have that much power over us, they will continually try, oh, they will try,
they'll try until they get blue in the face, and in some cases they have
one, the anti abortionists fuck'n bomb the Abortion Clinics 'cause they feel
what they believe is "right" Pro Life? Yeah, whatever, Life is made of all
kinds of different and difficult choices; the ones who are doing this aren't
even a problem! The ones with political pull are. And I'm not just talking
about the abortion issue either, I'm talking about The Christian Coalition
and Encirclement, and how some people fail to recognize these people by
their own true faces.

Answer to this sort of incoherent statement: you need to learn more about
economic realities. Money always manages to go AWAY from the workers who
produce everything - and it ends up in the bank accounts of those who
produce NOTHING - either those at the top that "own a building and hire
workers to work in it" or those kept on the bottom - the underclasses. When
times get tight, the working class has an easy scapegoat: the underclasses -
the parasites. Yet the BIG Parasite McDonald's in one year gets more welfare
than ALL the single welfare mothers put together - and that's only one
company. Corporate welfare is hidden - but the welfare queen is very
visible - an easy target. This is getting way off the topic of Satanism and
"fascist ideals."

END of dialogue.

A few comments made after this dialogue, due to bs that happened elsewhere -
which slightly relates to Stewart's observations: I do, however, find it
remarkable that "Mandates from above" are never issued when this (name
withheld) COS person, formerly TOS person, phony and liar attacks two people
on something Peggy and Peter ASKED the two people to defend the COS on, as
if it was a major issue. Yeah, TO THEM it was a major issue, and obviously
to Doc it was too. Meanwhile for anti-COSsers merely "accusing Peggy and
Blanche of being FAT," mandates from on high are issued? Really! I seem to
remember quite a few of the "fascist idealists" calling a TOS member fat -
yet at least one of these people is fatter. I also see slack lipped bullies
poking fun of said person for being picked on in high school: FOR BEING FAT.
Of course, because I defended him, suckups imagine that this person is my
"gelding." When does this shit end? This, is bullshit! This is leader/led,
master/slave, CRUXTOID mentality par excallance. Satanic? Bwhahaha. Puh
leese!

Roots One of Satanism and Roots Two, Convalescence from Christianity,
Package of Doctrines, etc. etc. all that hard copy stuff stands strong.
NOTHING can put a dent in those monographs. Oh, let us not imagine that
Roots Of Satanism as a title for "Was Plato a Satanist?" was NOT noticed
(and approved of) by Doc LaVey, heh. ROOTS OF? Yet no one "asks the Waffen
SS" to come out and attack something that is most highly respected and which
was respected enough by Doc himself for him to make, or at least APPROVE of,
the titles ROOTS of Satanism on the articles. Those articles were around for
ages, long before anyone got online and when we were universally known as
Staunch Independents. They don't owe anything to COS or anyone else. They
stand alone and have been used by MANY Satanic orgs. Scholarly works proving
the roots of Satanic thought are OK to trash. They also now attack me for an
interest I have in the pre WW2 USSR and write about that has NOTHING TO DO
with Satanism? Oh, am I supposed to live and breathe and toil for someone
ELSE like some god damned Fundamentalist Born Again Christian? What are
these bastards even DOING looking at "other stuff" I do or write? Why does
this matter to them? Because they are regulating, cliquish LOSERS with a new
clique in what they IMAGINE is some huge organization. My personal
"interests" don't tow THEIR party line. What are they even DOING with their
noses in my interests? They are being CHRISTIANS: snoopy, regulating PUNKS.
CULTURAL CHRISTIANS 100%. Das Kapital, an extremely abstract and difficult
book, for it's analysis of CAPITALISM which is prophetic would be a lot
better "required reading" than "Mein Kampf" which caters to MORONS. But if
the hierarchy insists that "you better get a copy of Mein Kampf and
familiarize yourself with it" - well, you have a choice to obey them or tell
them to fuck off! I'll give you advice that's one better. Screw Das Kapital
and Main Kampf. Go watch Star Trek. It's much more Satanic. And of course, I
happen to notice this change of heart ever since I did the Great Sin of
letting Les Masters (GM_Dawg) on a chatroom me and my pals made. I notice
the change of attitude since I have not gotten into a flame war (like a
Waffen SS) with Egan of his FCOS members. I surely do notice. Do they
imagine that I care about this and/or that I will not take ALL our stuff,
and forbig the COS itself from ever using anything from it? Heh, that would
be ideal, as far as I'm concerned.

[Tani Jantsang ©]

Hmm, I see TYPOS. Gotta fix - but on rereading this. HOLY FUCKING SHIT was
I right about the government and - heh - talk about prophecy? HOLY FUCKING
SHIT. DAMN. forget the org shit. I was ON TARGET on what I said COULD
happen here - HOLY freaking shit. Ever get the idea that someone reads this
shit and gets the idea to go and do it? HEH. Stranger things, man. Gotta
fix typos. Also will make more clear on Casey's stuff - that SHE is
speaking unless it says "Stewart said" and has his statement or query in
quotes. I'll make that more clear - and fix that missing <p> in the html,
:)

Post by Tani Jantsang ©
This is IN the project, however - Stew wanted it because he thought it was
informative. It might be good to inform you that Stewart became Les
Master's Lover. Les Masters was formerly a MAG in the FCOS - but was a
member of the SR at the time Stewart and he became lovers.
17. Citizen Stewart to TJ, back and forth until TJ got tired of trying to
read it.
Stewart asks: The reason I am asking these questions is that so you may
reply, so that the readers may actually understand if they too have some
of the same questions that I have, ok?
Answer: Sure, but I don't see what more there is to say here. Either you
put up with assholes or you don't. I'm not saying Nazis are assholes. I'm
saying that the Nazi or Fascist element in the COS that you dealt with are
assholes. Who doesn't know this? I got more complaints about it in 3 years
than the COS has members. LOL. There are Nazis in other Satanic
organizations too: I have no idea if they are also assholes.
Stewart asks: Are they trying to destroy the CoS, and most importantly
when will these people come out of the closet and reveal themselves, or
are they right in front of our faces?
Answer: They? The Christian Coalition? The Christian Coalition is not only
in front of your face and our faces, but they got Jeb Bush, the Governor
of Florida, voted in despite Buddy McCay and others telling everyone he
was a Christian Fascist - something that Jeb Bush didn't even bother to
deny! In fact, that won Jeb Bush the Governorship! What I just explained
(initial letter in Part One) about the coalition of Christians banded
together is what they THEMSELVES constantly talk about with admiration of
their own success! It's no secret - it's not in any closet. Anyone who is
not aware of this LIVES in a closet! What do you think that a coalition
is? It is a FASCES. OK, what is a fasces? The image is of a bundle of
branches tied together. Imagine each Christian variation, each little
Christian church in every little town, is a branch, and other religions
(main ones, like Catholic and even some Jews) are other branches. Branches
are easy to break when they are single branches. COMBINE these branches
into one tight bunch and tie them together. Now you have something as
strong as a club: this is called a "fasces."* When the fasces is not
branches, but is organizations of many Christian organizations (which have
many people in them) - it's called a COALITION. Christian Coalition.
Christian Fascism! This is a correct term. (*Yeah, yeah, the Romans had
this. The Huns and Jenghis Khan also had it with arrows tied together
representing ALL the clans joined as one conquering force.) If you mean
the people you've been running into in the COS, they are out of the
closet. Don't you read the Black Flame? You talked to them and they were
pretty open (albeit heavy handed) about it. They are in front of your
face, obviously.
Stewart asks: In the eighties, a great disdain grew over the flower power,
peace, love and dope mentality that persisted in the 1960's (This was also
evident in the CoS back then!) The symbolic representation could not,
ever, smash us real Satanists within -or- standing on the outside
looking-into it. Now, those on the outside looking in or on the inside
looking outside could very well be the problem presenting themselves in a
position a great hierarchy, a position of power and superiority which
would catch the attention of somebody that nobody in the COS wants to be
involved with, but in this case it is too late, but this can not be
handled in terms of Citizenship but it must be dealt with from the HP.
Answer: I have no idea if the HP is aware of factions within the CoS,
especially factions that want to MAKE the CoS into the NSWPP or KKK! When
LaVey became aware of a little bit of it, he threw some people out; he
threw Bruce Ithier out on his ass in 1976 or 1977 - Ithier was a total
Nazi. And Michael Aquino has a bunch of letters LaVey wrote him against
these types sneaking into the COS, he mentioned that on alt.satanism
openly. We couldn't get copies. But they are openly back in the CoS again
and probably in other organizations as well. I DO know that the real neo
Nazis are aware of it and they DO name names, and I doubt that the ADL or
people like Morris Dies are not aware of it. I think these would-be Nazis
are a tiny minority in the COS and possibly in other Satanic orgs, and
some whole Satanic orgs are openly Fascist as Ms. Selwyn explains and as
many admit, but they are VERY LOUD - they are NOT LONERS; they are
attention seekers. See below for comment on "druggie utopia culture."
(Note added after this conversation: Poor Stewart was asked to name names.
He's apparently afraid to. I'm not. OK: Logs exist of Jeff Nagy getting
caught pretending to be Liz Dictator talking to Iron Will saying that he
wants it all to be Fascist or Nazi - he doesn't know the difference. He
mentions some that are "with him" on this, KS Anthony is one mention and
Faustus Scorpius himself or www.november9.org names Moynihan and enough
others are named in articles written by the fascist faction themselves.
All dye hard foot stomping Nazis. That's cool, just FUCK OFF and don't
bother people who are Not Interested - something Ms. Liz Dictator Jeff
Nagy didn't understand when he shit disturbed and started a fight. We have
printed the Faustus Scorpius article here. Rumor has it that Chris Turner
of Conspiratorium is one of them, or so Stewart was told this)
Dealt with? The HP dealing with it? (I do have a knack for PHOPHECY heh
heh....) They'll deal with YOU, Stewart; you were already told to shut up
and watch out by more than one person. You were called a spy for hell's
sakes! Too bad you didn't log all of it save emails with full headers!
Stewart asks: It's also my understanding that wasn't the intentions to
begin with, an admiration for Charles Manson a Cultist who compelled
people to kill for him, and he also killed is a rather bit far fetched
ESPECIALLY to treat him as a gifted philosopher.
Answer: this was primarily the doing of Nikolas Schreck. Charlie Manson
was a loser and a misfit, and only the most uneducated of fools would find
merit in ANYTHING that man had to say. He should have simply and quietly
been put to death for his crimes. I remember back when it all happened.
Manson was a destructive person and IS NOW a parasite living the high life
in jail. Government should SHOOT HIM like a clay pigeon.
Stewart asks: One thing they do have a point is, he did fuck up their
vivid pipe dreams of a Utopia of a drug using society. Is that the point?
No, he killed people and USED these symbols, engraved them into his fore
head and all of a sudden he's some kind of "mascot for Satanism in the
eighties"? or mascot for Satanism in general. Explain that.
Answer: Charles Manson was a drug user himself. This is only the idea of
those who are completely unaware of the NON-drug activities and tremendous
things happening in the country back then. For some very strange reason,
the youth of THIS generation have a total lack of information about these
non-drug MAJOR happenings in the country! I find that remarkable. WHO has
kept this information from the youth of today? Major things happened in
the country that had nothing to do with drugs: the anti-war movement, the
Women's rights movement (not feminism), the alternative religion movement
WHICH COS IS NOT ONLY INTRICATELY A PART OF BUT OWES ITS VERY EXISTENCE
TO, and the Gay and Black rights movements. None of these things involved
drugs or pipe dreams of a utopia. The hippie drug scene was mostly a pack
of Cultural Christians, spoiled little bourgeois brats with too much time
on their hands, or Drug Guru professors on the payroll of the CIA. They
had NO political awareness at all.
Stewart asks: The Government is in favor of the Christians already. Let
the churches pay taxes, see how fast the national debt would be wiped out.
You think they would be in favor of that? Hell no. And what would become
of this country if we put the Christians in more power, say, how long has
it been anyway since the last Inquisition? This is all covered in The
First Amendment, I protect that right, put them in more power and see,
watch it all just fade away like it never even... existed!
Answer: I was hoping that ALL Satanists already knew this fact!!! I do
believe that the Wiccan and Pagan communities know it all TOO well. Are
WHY? Perhaps they are not the ones living in a pipe dream at all.
Stewart asks: So what if they do take the money raised the wages for the
working class as opposed to the industries that would get the profit.
That's their right to profit, how about this, shut down all the large
industries companies, have the working class lose all their jobs due to
the fact that the people who own these have no way of paying up due to the
fact that his money is going into paying the working class citizen 1 and 2
distributing supplies, however not as many supplies, therefore not as much
work FOR the working class citizen.
Answer: lol - have you been reading Karl Marx? That COULD happen. What
would happen if it did? REVOLUTION!!! Have you ever lived through a riot,
gotten shot at by many bullets and shot people back? I have. It's NOT fun.
Understand something: these "big industries" are NOTHING without people
working IN them MAKING the junk they make and sell at HUGE profits -
profits they never share with the people who MADE the junk! They also get
the metal and petroleum for plastic parts and etc. from pure exploitation
of 3rd world labor and resources! It's a spiraling vortex of consumption.
And when overproduction crashes into underconsumption by people who can't
afford to buy the junk? That's a "crisis in capitalism." And when
industries move away to hire cheaper labor? What if those workers refuse
to work? Nothing gets made without the TOILING HANDS that make the junk.
The industries are NOTHING without the working classes! What good is a
factory with equipment and no one to work the equipment? And what good are
millions of new cars if no one buys them?
Stewart asks: So guess what, Mr. Pat Buchannan can go to Hell. I'm all in
favor for making work available for everybody that means everybody who has
the right toward advancement. "Every dog has it's day" and the Christians
had theirs, they fucked it up, they know. They bit the very hand that fed
them, the people, the individuals whom got slaughtered throughout the two
thousand centuries. It was illegal for Social Darwinism to be taught in
schools, in the twentieth century it persisted, remember the "Satanic
Panic" scare? They raided Aquino's house, looked throughout all of his
personal belongings, and even DARED to mention "his living room was
painted black" took him to court, what happened? They didn't have an inch
of evidence against him. And all this despite He is Not a Satanist! You
know what that is, that's self destruction. You spelled it out so everyone
could hear, loud and clear what a klippoth is. Just imagine how they'd
react to the Real Satanists!
Answer: there is no question here - I agree with the sentiment. Social
Darwinism is not an evolutionary biological reality. It is nothing but a
SOCIAL concept - it is pseudo-science! It is Darwin grossly misinterpreted
"Redefining Darwin." He explains it all in simple words and explains what
"social" Darwinism is and how that pseudoscience came into being.) Oh, Pat
Buchannan is very pro labor for working class American citizens, by the
way. Aquino is a Satanist of another kind. And some of your COS people
actually blamed Michael Aquino for his own persecution regarding Presidio.
They called him by the names used in the Presidio case, and so forth. One
present COS member, formerly a TOS member who turned Catholic for awhile
(before joining the COS) even insisted that the SRA stories were real. I
saw some of this printed out, and heard about the rest of it where they
blamed Aquino for his own persecution. If I had been online at the time,
I'd have stuck up for Aquino as a HERO that fought for ALL of Satanism,
not just his TOS. He deserves a medal for it.
they COULD raid your house, arrest you, hold you without bail and no
avenue to legal help. They COULD shoot you. They COULD give you a lobotomy
or electro shock therapy. They COULD torture you. They COULD. And in many
many places in the world - THEY DO. You know we chat with a fellow called
SmokingMirror. He mailed $100 in an envelope to the Church of Satan. The
letter never left Columbia. They came for him. They arrested him. They
interrogated him. And he can't leave unless the DAS (like our FBI) clears
him of his CRIMINAL RECORD. But what is Smoke's crime? He wrote to the
Church of Satan. They COULD have shot him. They could have done anything
they wanted to do. What the the COS do? They treated Smoke like a pariah,
like they treatred you. He's not afraid to say "to hell with that." He
washed his hand of them. Get that through your heads. The Christian
Coalition is a reality - they are POWERFUL and they aim to take over this
government. And what would want to make here? Christian Fascism. WAKE UP!
(I betcha they don't wake up.....) Let them find any excuse to reinstate
the old Co-intel-pro and heh, they'll do it in a minute, and it will be
worse with the technology we have today.
Stewart says: Again, here this is not a very surprising thing to me, not
at all. As for Jeb Bush winning despite the fact he wouldn't bother
denying, what is there to deny when there is nothing. Fact is, as long as
we are the Minority, and the Christian Coalition is in power we can't do
anything About it. The people voted for him, the herd minded fools who
swarm like viscous bees protecting their Queen. And in this case they did
just that. What can we do about that? Mag. Tani Jantsang has mentioned in
her article "Mastering Satanism" that they are in fact Satanic
organizations, this cannot be doubted, and not even in the least it's
seriousness.
Answer correcting his misconception (lol, inside joke): These are not
Satanic organizations. They are Christian organizations but they no longer
represent the majority of their own Christian people. That does not mean
they are Satanic. They aren't. If the lay Christians, the hard working
honest Christian people, knew what these organizations were up to, they'd
call them traitors to the USA. They won't get hip to it, they'll be duped
and follow along with it.
Stewart continues: The significance is founded those who would disorient
us and weave their way into "the established system" and cause all of the
trouble they can, and even perhaps use controversies to attract attention.
Indeed, Satanism is a controversy, but is it a controversy in the form of
burning churches down, proclaiming that one race is more "strong" then the
other and what is strong, how could those foolish ingrates have
misinterpreted "Might is Right" by the Honorable Ragner Redbeard. Right is
Right, and reason is in season for every last individual who thinks they
can tear down the Infernal Empire upon which the Doktor Anton Szandor
LaVey founded, dumb founded dip shits scurry about in their herd, there
Fasces, and right wing political movements- and What do they know about US
anyway? The controversy? I'll tell you right now what controversy is,
controversy is murdering over a five thousand or more people for the sake
of religion for the mistake that many have misinterpreted "Might" over the
last 2000 years!!! The "controversy" isn't found in these so called
impotent Magical symbols, if they ever were Magical symbols, and they were
used for that specific belief that revolves and encircles it then it very
well is not controversy! No! No! No! It is wrong if it is to be used for
that specific purpose, "Behold the cross, what does it represent: Pallid
incompetence hanging on a tree" and as long as their incompetence reins,
not much can be done about it. Eat it out like Cancer, exterminate them,
and every Fascist Satanic individual will be, and might be Might, but it
certainly will never be Left, nor right nor anything in between the two.
Yes, it will be under a right wing mentality, a Christian mentality,
Genocide, getting it? Inquisition? The riddle isn't that hard to answer,
you would have to be stupid not to see that, and stupidity
should-be-painful. And in their case, self-destruction, it is, and will
be. The Governor of Florida flourishes on what is Might, he thrives upon
their very existence, the only thing there is left to do is ADVANCE,
advancement is the key, and the combination to open it is different for
every person, the postulate is undefiled Power, Undefiled Wisdom and most
importantly the use of our First Amendment right that we all have to
exorcise in order to advance and it's up to you if you would like to open
that door, but never Misplace the key.
Answer: And if We The People (the majority) have no clue what the
Amendments are? Then We The People will be duped, deceived and not even
know what we have given up. Remember: "IT" can happen here too. Americans
are far too comfortable in America to REALIZE that. That is why I
occasionally post a sarcastic post saying something like "Pat Robertonson
SHOULD WIN" which is in effect saying that I'm HAILING the Christian
Coalition's most FANATICAL faction! I PERSONALLY would stand nothing to
lose if he did win - AND TAKE OVER. All that would be needed is to
fabricate an emergency (Islamic terrorist bombing, or linking "ALL the
Negroes" to Islamic terrorism - a good excuse to round them all up,
something like that, Islamic terrorists sneaks in posing as a Mexican
illegal alien, etc.), and declare a State of Emergency: in which case the
President of the USA BECOMES a dejure DICTATOR - DEJURE!. But the great
majority of people in the COS? What would they lose? Ha Ha Ha. Everything.
Stewart comments on previous reply: So what your saying makes sense in
terms of these individuals having a Fasces, yes, however it must be
understood that a lot of Christians can't even agree with each other most
of the time, and when they aren't arguing what "path" leads to Heaven or
Hell, I can see this type of thing happening.
Answer: RUBBISH! These are trivial disagreements on spiritual matters.
They DO FOLLOW THEIR LEADERS AND DO AS THEY ARE TOLD: GOOD SHEEP! And what
their leaders are preaching has NOTHING to do with heaven or hell - OR
Jesus! It's MIGHT MAKES RIGHT! Brute Force. Take Over. FIND ME the
Fundamentalist Christian that truly believes in heaven, hell, the soul and
Armageddon who DOES NOT put money in his flesh and blood 4 year old's
worldly bank account for that kids FUTURE worldly college education! HA!
So much for the spirit.
Stewart continues on previous reply: The Catholic Church is trying to do
exactly that, right now, however, I do not think it is going to happen
where it got so bad where I couldn't get a job and pay my bills on time,
and most importantly live a Satanic lifestyle.
Answer: I hope these don't serve to be famous last words!
Stewart continues on previous reply: But Magistra Jantsang does have a
highly valid point, in which every Satanist should take note of the Highly
valued essay entitled "Mastering Satanism" which gets into how Satanic
Organizations in this day and age are being surrounded, it's called
Christian Encirclement. This is hardly a joke and I feel that essay should
be a must read for those Satanists reading this article.
Answer: Dream on. Most of those preaching this fascist rubbish never even
read the hallmark article Roots One of Satanism, nor have they read
Evolution Christians and Setians. They don't want to KNOW anything at all.
They want to Play Fascist. They HATE our Satanic stuff and think that the
respect we EARNED came from the mere commentary polemic on HrVad's
website. It didn't. Why do they dislike us? Because we refute all they
are: we refute Cruxtoids. These morons, even the best of them, don't
realize that they are thoroughly in tune with the HERD REACTION to liberal
draconian FASCIST tyranny previously forced on the nation in certain areas
of social life (not all areas) - forced - why? in order to CAUSE this
easily predicted reaction? They are such PUPPETS yet they have no clue who
their puppet masters are? They don't even realize they are being
manipulated! That's pretty pathetic! The holders of the strings PULL and
they REact. They are thoroughly IN TUNE with the mass herd reaction right
now: AND too stupid to even realize it. And LIKE the herd which needs
religious justification or pseudo-scientific justification, they are
having delusions about hierarchies in nature! IDIOTS! STUPID! In which
case, I HOPE ROBERTSON WINS - just so that I may see these idiots languish
in concentration camps. I'd even volunteer for the job of guard, praising
JEEEEEEzuus all the way. As a Serpent, I'm thoroughly in favor of GIVING
Adam just what he wants: APPLES - i.e., a CURSE upon his generations.
Shit, I'd BUY a gas chamber and rent it out cheap.
Stewart asks: I do understand that, but what I'm trying to say is there is
a very high chance that could happen. Take away the money that would
usually go into paying the people who make the products for the people who
make the goods, take away their power, where do they go, they go to where
to profit is, why, because there's not as much money involved. On the
other hand if we would lower the rate, make living a little simpler for
the working citizen, then yeah, however the construction of houses
wouldn't be a very popular endeavor if they wouldn't get paid as much as
they do now. They get paid good money. And so do those who are getting a
profit, who never share the money, but again, that is their right toward
advancement, in that system there should never even be any people holding
other people down, because when you hold it down, that's not going to
erase the problem. Because if you put that ONE industry over power of
everything else, and that is where the profit is, what happens if they are
a Christian? How many active Christians are there today? Have I ever lived
through a riot? I have never even seen a riot, riot is anarchy, pure
anarchy, and even in without a Government the Herd will still need
something to stand by. We have a government, they have something to stand
by, however the government is not standing by them- The Atheists and every
single alternative religious creed will be on them, and they would never
hear the end of it, and that is good. Hey, they're standing behind us, the
Satanic, the Wiccan, the Pagan, the Atheist, the philosopher, the...
Whatever! You get the idea. What the problem here is, is that regardless
of this fact we are still the minority, and while they might not have that
much power over us, they will continually try, oh, they will try, they'll
try until they get blue in the face, and in some cases they have one, the
anti abortionists fuck'n bomb the Abortion Clinics 'cause they feel what
they believe is "right" Pro Life? Yeah, whatever, Life is made of all
kinds of different and difficult choices; the ones who are doing this
aren't even a problem! The ones with political pull are. And I'm not just
talking about the abortion issue either, I'm talking about The Christian
Coalition and Encirclement, and how some people fail to recognize these
people by their own true faces.
Answer to this sort of incoherent statement: you need to learn more about
economic realities. Money always manages to go AWAY from the workers who
produce everything - and it ends up in the bank accounts of those who
produce NOTHING - either those at the top that "own a building and hire
workers to work in it" or those kept on the bottom - the underclasses.
When times get tight, the working class has an easy scapegoat: the
underclasses - the parasites. Yet the BIG Parasite McDonald's in one year
gets more welfare than ALL the single welfare mothers put together - and
that's only one company. Corporate welfare is hidden - but the welfare
queen is very visible - an easy target. This is getting way off the topic
of Satanism and "fascist ideals."
END of dialogue.
A few comments made after this dialogue, due to bs that happened
elsewhere - which slightly relates to Stewart's observations: I do,
however, find it remarkable that "Mandates from above" are never issued
when this (name withheld) COS person, formerly TOS person, phony and liar
attacks two people on something Peggy and Peter ASKED the two people to
defend the COS on, as if it was a major issue. Yeah, TO THEM it was a
major issue, and obviously to Doc it was too. Meanwhile for anti-COSsers
merely "accusing Peggy and Blanche of being FAT," mandates from on high
are issued? Really! I seem to remember quite a few of the "fascist
idealists" calling a TOS member fat - yet at least one of these people is
fatter. I also see slack lipped bullies poking fun of said person for
being picked on in high school: FOR BEING FAT. Of course, because I
defended him, suckups imagine that this person is my "gelding." When does
this shit end? This, is bullshit! This is leader/led, master/slave,
CRUXTOID mentality par excallance. Satanic? Bwhahaha. Puh leese!
Roots One of Satanism and Roots Two, Convalescence from Christianity,
Package of Doctrines, etc. etc. all that hard copy stuff stands strong.
NOTHING can put a dent in those monographs. Oh, let us not imagine that
Roots Of Satanism as a title for "Was Plato a Satanist?" was NOT noticed
(and approved of) by Doc LaVey, heh. ROOTS OF? Yet no one "asks the Waffen
SS" to come out and attack something that is most highly respected and
which was respected enough by Doc himself for him to make, or at least
APPROVE of, the titles ROOTS of Satanism on the articles. Those articles
were around for ages, long before anyone got online and when we were
universally known as Staunch Independents. They don't owe anything to COS
or anyone else. They stand alone and have been used by MANY Satanic orgs.
Scholarly works proving the roots of Satanic thought are OK to trash. They
also now attack me for an interest I have in the pre WW2 USSR and write
about that has NOTHING TO DO with Satanism? Oh, am I supposed to live and
breathe and toil for someone ELSE like some god damned Fundamentalist Born
Again Christian? What are these bastards even DOING looking at "other
stuff" I do or write? Why does this matter to them? Because they are
regulating, cliquish LOSERS with a new clique in what they IMAGINE is some
huge organization. My personal "interests" don't tow THEIR party line.
What are they even DOING with their noses in my interests? They are being
CHRISTIANS: snoopy, regulating PUNKS. CULTURAL CHRISTIANS 100%. Das
Kapital, an extremely abstract and difficult book, for it's analysis of
CAPITALISM which is prophetic would be a lot better "required reading"
than "Mein Kampf" which caters to MORONS. But if the hierarchy insists
that "you better get a copy of Mein Kampf and familiarize yourself with
it" - well, you have a choice to obey them or tell them to fuck off! I'll
give you advice that's one better. Screw Das Kapital and Main Kampf. Go
watch Star Trek. It's much more Satanic. And of course, I happen to notice
this change of heart ever since I did the Great Sin of letting Les Masters
(GM_Dawg) on a chatroom me and my pals made. I notice the change of
attitude since I have not gotten into a flame war (like a Waffen SS) with
Egan of his FCOS members. I surely do notice. Do they imagine that I care
about this and/or that I will not take ALL our stuff, and forbig the COS
itself from ever using anything from it? Heh, that would be ideal, as far
as I'm concerned.