Post by SOD of the CoE50041209 viii om Hail Satan! (only took me a week to write the response :>)
#> ...the Christians call/called 'Satan' in their fevered moments
#> -- wild nature.
# I do not believe that Christians call wild nature Satan at all.
# Why not? Because when explaining wild nature.... TO evangelicals
# they said "but, that's just nature, GOD made that, not Satan." ....
nothing Created by their God, it is only the uncontrolled resisting.
imagining horrors, they know not the true perfection and beauty.
# ...EDUCATED Christians. mean something that is deliberately,
# with malice of forethought - ANTI HUMAN and ANTI NATURE TOO.
# THAT is what the christians mean....
the nightmare is horrendous, its plastering insult gross projection.
# I believe that the Satan they refer to ....
their concepts vacant, their moral vacancy tragic to the demonic.
# ...what the Christians mean.... [is a] hell of lot heavier ...
the drama interferes with the real story, however, heaviness aside.
# ...for the definition of Evil anti human Tyrant - the OT Jehova
# fits that bill to a T. Those people didn't NEED an evil Devil.
# They had Jehova! LOL.
fictions are always more interesting than realities.
Satan is a reality, upon which the fictions are projected,
conforming in characteristic to what is identified in fantasy.
the fantasy is used as a targetting device for attention and
the demonization of competitors for the exploitation of the known.
#> you're ...a worshipper or Knower of Darkness.
#
# KNOWER of. I do not worship anything.
why not? how do CoSatanists usually worship themselves?
why isn't the Dark Flame worthy of your worship?
The Dark Flame is worthy of having it flowing within and back to the
darkness of its origin - and doing that is only a matter of ENJOYING life,
inner peace, and so forth.
Post by SOD of the CoE# ...it was kinda odd for a short while having recently ex-tos
# members and staunch tos members in there at the same time - oh boy.
# HAPPILY, they never brought up the tos :) or fought with each other.
says something for their character and sincerety.
Yes it does. They were in the SR and as SRs they respected the org they
joined.
Post by SOD of the CoE# [using the label, 'Satan' can]...call a person AWAY from what
# it actually IS. Call it wild nature if you want - branding that
# Satan will destroy the THATNESS of what really IS wild nature
# itself. Do you understand?
evil revealed as the uncontrolled, compassion may come to the fore.
When I say the word evil, I have very specific parameters for what evil is.
War is not evil. Even genocide is not evil. Malice for the sake of malice
itself - the intent being to destroy love or joy that people do have - that
is evil. I don't mean kill the person. I mean destroy something on that
inner level. That which turns an animal against its own instincts - is
evil.
Post by SOD of the CoE#> secondary status of societal acceptance.
#> it is comparable to the Christian intention to
#> convince me that what I'm worshipping *is* the
#> anti-God
# But your Satan is NOT the anti-God at all
actually, SHe is, in spots. :>
# You worship The Creation - in strictest Christian terms!
what convinces you of the truth of these Christian terms?
Nature itself. The cosmos itself. That is the "creation" in their own
religion, in strict theological terms. Whether they are wrong or not about
it being created (we say it was emanated) is not the point. No one can
doubt that the cosmos DOES exist (except poison pen..... he has theories
that cast doubt on it, LMAO).
Post by SOD of the CoEadmitting of no Creation, what I worship, Kali, doesn't
really seem like 'the Creation' any more than other gods,
and some tell me that She made everything and will eat it.
Jesus stories. Kali stories. they're swell, but I don't
believe in any of them as history.
Forget Jesus. Kali - and that cosmogenetic idea - is very close to what
science says based on observation!
Post by SOD of the CoEbecause I see what is being called Satan, the reality
behind the imagined adversary of the Christian perception,
I say the cosmic adversary is worthy of Salvation too,
and we can all find our interests fulfilled without violence.
the proper response from a true Christian, absent an actual
Satan Devil appearing to take responsibility for the abject
devastation caused by humans bent on decimating it, is to
Steward *that* part of the Creation well too, rather than
to pursue our juvenile and evil notions of revenge/exploit.
If cultures didn't have their gods to do battle over, they'd just find
another thing to call it. The battles are not waged for any holy purpose.
They are waged due to greed and often due to need.
Post by SOD of the CoEonce the terms of engagement are arranged, whether we're
worshipping our Gods, the Creation, or whatever, we can discern
with more efficiency the best course of our involvement. taming
a planet is nothing for our species. what will be left of it
after it is dominated and destroyed, surrounded or burned,
gardened and controlled (large storms and earthquakes, diseases
constituting the very stuff of the Satanic, some known as Kali!)?
We don't know what will happen if man goes techno-man and controls it all.
There might not be diseases, storms and etc that man can not control. We
don't know that.
Post by SOD of the CoE# ...the origin of all black magic, REAL black magic, ...
# ...the origin of the really hidden insights into terrifying things
# that most people do not see and wouldn't WANT to see....
# ...Original Satan. ... Sri Kala Chakra ....
do you agree with the Setians that the Original Satan was Set?
is Sri Kala Chakra also Set?
Yes. I think that BOTH Sat and Tan and Set were words/titles that may have
been messed with by a culture (the Hebrews - and the Persiona with whom the
Hebrews had contact) that was ad odds with both societies. The Hebrews
spread their creed. The others didn't.
Post by SOD of the CoEand what about Ahriman?
Please see this for Ahriman and how a non-dual Persian tradition became the
first dualism involving "good/evil" gods:
http://www.geocities.com/go_darkness/god-persian-dualism.html
how far
Post by SOD of the CoEinto the realm of the Evil Spirit does the Spirit go? granted
a shamanic perspective this kind of moral context seems wan.
Yes, from my perspective there is no good/evil in spirit. There is ONLY
spirit. Persians demonized the spiritual concepts of their enemies - as did
the Hebrews. Both cultures, (Persian/Hebrew) have affected western
perspective and religion to a great extent.
Post by SOD of the CoE# ...every single aspect of satan, fangs, talons, serpent tale...
# It's even red. .... ...Satan IS God!
even many Jews believe that, it seems, the aspects of the God
are the God itself also, inclusive of those heinous/judging.
Yup. Point being, the Void doesn't judge or care. PEOPLE judge and care.
People abuse spirituality and claim they do things on behalf of gods. They
lie.
Post by SOD of the CoE# There is no OTHER "god" out there. And the god ain't even a god.
# It's a THINGNESS, a THATNESS. It's not huggy huggy, it's not pro
# or anti human. It is what it is. It can be perceived as the most
# horrific and terrible thing imaginable - and at the same time,
# the most wonderful thing - at the same time.
thank you very much for sharing of the nature of your Satan,
both here and more recently in your long post about Sat-Tan.
Welcome, but the info is public on our websites. Too bad the Setian info is
NOT! There is apparently a GREAT deal of stuff they say about entire LHP
cultures and that's just not for sale or available outside their org. And
yes, I did urge Aquino at times to make it public, lest people who have it
and share it (against the rules) misrepresent it by snipping portiong and
displaying them wholly out of context. I was personally shown "TOS
DOCTRINES" in that kind of broken up, pasted up, false form - of course,
their enemies showed them to me.
Post by SOD of the CoE# It's Knowledge - with a capital K.
K = 11
# ...They are NOT neo pagans....
neat-o. generationals too? is it a potentate legion?
I don't know what you mean.
Post by SOD of the CoE# ...I finally said that the cos has NO PERMISSION to use ANYTHING
# from the DDocs. So yeah, hah hah, they distanced themselves from
# what we, the copyright owners, said they could not use anymore.
# ...they didn't really have a CHOICE. It's our material and it is
# legally, gov copyrighted 1990....
meanies. ;>
#> there is a recognizable influence you seem to have resonated
#> to or had upon them at some point in time,
# Yes, and as I just said, I said they could NO LONGER USE a single
# thing from the DDocs. So they HAD to distance themselves. They
# had no choice.
out-maneuvered!!
# ...IN WRITING....
many things are expressed in writing. some are purely political.
# ...They most definitely DO have doctrines (teachings) - the
# philosophy of Anton and exploration of that.
neither the fact of doctrinal existence, nor the fact that some may
be told that adherence to such standards will be required of them
is demonstration that this is the litmus-gate of membership.
Uh, "anyone that chooses to adhere to doctrines other than those of Anton
Lavey, can hand in their membership card and leave the COS." You have the
files. Read them.
Post by SOD of the CoE#># The Shivaite system that spawned Sat and Tan....
#>
#> show me data on Saivites that worshipped Satan and how you
#> and any of your clan are related to them directly rather than
#> as some perceived Neopagan syncretic fabrication. did your
#> Grandfather Choeje Lama believe that he was worshipping Satan?
#
# LMAO, he didn't know the word, [bobo]. His English was always TERRIBLE.
start more clearly then. did he believe that he was worshipping
Sri Kala Chakra? or in the same relation to said being as you?
Yes. But not worship in the sense people mean that word. "KNOWING it" is
more like it. Yes. Sri Kala Chakra, aka Mahakala, aka Karabog (in Tatar
language), as given these are the same thing, just titles for IT.
Post by SOD of the CoEwas that objective you stipulated for you his also? some kind
of Knower of the Dark Force?
Yes. But "Dark force," that's an English concept construct. "Boundless
Darkness," is the word - and it does what we say it does (agreement there).
The problem is in the words. Like when I take my shoes to Cubans to DYE
them, they have no idea what I mean. They say they PAINTED them.
Post by SOD of the CoE# ...Doing siddhi is not ritualistic.
what does it include?
It's part of kundalini yoga - a use of chakras to gain knowledge or see
things that one does not normally see. I explained it in the "What is
Shamanism" article, Tyagi. In detail.
Post by SOD of the CoE# Doing kundalini yoga is not ritual. You DO it.
what does it include? how is it Satanic by some explanation?
It doesn't have to be satanic. To brand it by a label is to not understand
it. Is breathing satanic?
Post by SOD of the CoE# Perhaps we need to define "ritual." Sure he passed it down to me.
was it some kind of ceremony that passed it? was it genetic?
did he pass it down to you intentionally?
In some ways yes, in other ways no. If I tended to know something, or
arrive at something - he would show me that this is the same as the
doctrines or cultural practices. Maybe it is genetic, I have no idea. No
ceremony. I know when he had a hard time explaining something to a person
that didn't speak anything BUT English, he's ask me to explain it.
do those of his
Post by SOD of the CoElineage acknowledge you as a lineage-holder in some sense
representative or grounded in their lamaist, or whathaveyou,
tradition?
Heh, it doesn't work that way. They obviously don't consider the Islamics
in the family part of the tradition, if that's what you mean.
Post by SOD of the CoEor was the 'passing' more metaphorical, by birthing?
Yea, I'd say more or less - I never really thought much about this, Tyagi.
I never really thought much about what I seemed to always be able to DO,
either - or what they are called, "knowing" by certain means. I can't
remember being taught that like I was taught math in school, if that's what
you mean. I mean, no one ever taught me how to taste some exotic dish and
then figure out what's in it, and then figure out proportions of what's in
it and then how to make it. But I can do that, and have done it (yummy!) I
just do it. I don't really think about it or how I do it. Do you? Also, I
never really thought about how I know the chords to a song when I hear it -
and then can play it. But I started to consider that the first time I ever
heard the NOISE a tone deaf person made and realized that they had no clue
how to "hear" what chords were being played. Same thing - for me it's
exactly the same kind of thing. All of this. I have noticed what a lot of
people CAN NOT do - but I never really thought much about what I COULD do,
or what I know by means that - apparently - others don't utilize. Example.
I never thought much about swimming underwater and holding breath a long
time or swimming out in deep water for hours without any effort at all. I
never paid attention to it UNTIL - I noticed people had to keep their eyes
closed and told me they did that, or they had to wear nose clips to keep
water out of their nose, or they couldn't stay under as long as I did, or
they get TIRED when swimming around in deep water (when I never do; I can
stay out there for HOURS!). Get what I mean? I have to notice it in the
first place. Even when I go out there, I never noticed that some people I
chat with stayed in water that was at least up to their chests - not over
their heads. I just figured they liked it. LOL. I never thought they
couldn't swim - or FLOAT!! It's passive like that - all of it, especially
the stuff that you might see as mystical or magical. I never gave it much
thought.
Post by SOD of the CoE#># Set comes next ....
#>
#> the Temple of Set isn't connected with anything extant in a
#> social sense either. it is also a Neopagan construct after
#> the excellent construction.... of Setian HP Michael Aquino....
do you think Aquino was contacted by extant survivals of
ancient priestly lineages worshipping Set? in the flesh?
I have no idea. Maybe he was. I think you are too focused on priestly
LINEAGES. Were St. Augistine's kids also Bishops?
Post by SOD of the CoE#> you cannot get away with throwing *ideas and images* at me,
#> from which many of these *MODERN RELIGIOUS DEVELOPMENTS* derive.
#> if you feel that there is more to it than this, please explain.
#> that some of them may attempt to *connect back with something
#> which they believe to have once existed, reproducing it in some
#> manner is in no way a continuity of extant traditions.
#
# I disagree. Aquino has his hands on some real Egyptian texts there....
the texts are not at issue, any more than they might be for any
other Neopagans. what gives you reason to think they have lineage
in some extant Egyptian Set-worship? if none, why ain't they Neopagan?
Pagan, by my definition, is polytheistic.
Post by SOD of the CoE# They have done some deep study of this.
nobody questions the study of Neopagans. that's never the issue, though
sometimes the study is amusing as it maps to a variety of questionable
and mythological constructions. is Budge superceded by novel Egyptology?
I gather in some areas he is, but I'm not yet aware how this impacts the
constructions of Aquino (some fallout with Crowley has been amusing!).
You'd have to ask them. On this, I don't know.
Post by SOD of the CoE# ...IN practice, the DDoc stuff would definitely be related - as a
# continuation - of the eastern stuff - yes.
it sounds similar in character, yes, unless some guru instructed you,
or you have some lineage-bearing based strictly on birth (you might
for all I know, I'm curious if so what).
See above, already explained that. You do realize that the Dalai Lama was
discovered when he was a child, right? No one instructed him, He was
recognized as an avatar of Opame - I think amithaba in Hindu lingo. As for
me, there are things I always could just DO - and never thought about any of
it much until someone says "oh, well, that's _____" some advanced yoga.
Well, that's nice.
Post by SOD of the CoE# In practice IF anyone goes and does it. I don't tell anyone HOW -
# I don't want to get sued if someone gets hurt.
superpowers and special dangerous practices are not uncommon
in esoteric, occult, and sorcerous trads.
There is nothing superpower or special about it - but some things are
physically dangerous to do. They can result in a person going into a coma
and not coming back out. Martial arts and use of chi is also dangerous -
you can get hit so hard you die, you can be crippled for life. People who
have DONE these yogas the wrong way, ended up with a HEAP of medical bills
and no doctor knowing what was wrong with them.
I find no basis for
Post by SOD of the CoEtheir reality as yet but enjoy learning about the contentions.
What I am talking about is very real. Some things CAN harm people. I'm not
going to explain how to do such things to anyone. Shit, I won't even go out
in the water and "watch" a beach pals nephews if they have swim noodles with
them. I do not want the responsibility. If they can't swim, they should
stay the fuck OUT of deep water in the ocean. Or let their aunt watch them
herself. Asking ME to do it, is highly imposing. I won't. I don't go
there to babysit. That's my point of view on a great deal of things.
Post by SOD of the CoE# The order in which the stuff is presented will remain - tho
# it HAS been updated.
kind of like Crowley teaching yoga after Patanjali and a meeting
with a yogi and some experiments on his own, discussions with
his Buddhist instructor?
HUH? I don't know what you're talking about.
Post by SOD of the CoE# Yah, but you might piss off some of those herds if you post up wrong
# information :)
I'm not concerned. my confusions will clear over time and my
intentions in support of Satanism and its archival are plain. :>
eventually I'll be provided with a free CoSatanic membership,
even if post-mortem.
How about a free TOS membership? Or an SR membership? You told me ages ago
in hard copy that you kinda wanted them to hand you that.
Post by SOD of the CoE#>#> note the commonality of "Dark Force" metaphysics....
#>#
#># Yes - it's why LaVey handed out high titles to non members....
#>
#> so the Magister and Magistra titles didn't make you members?
#> if not, why not, even honorary?
#
# No. Members are members with certain duties they had to do if they headed
# Grottos, or if they were Magistrates in charge of a group of Grottos.
very reasonable. purpose-oriented. similar to some other orgs I've known.
Problem is, there was no purpose to it and well, those detailed written
reports - no one ever got feedback on any of it. Hence, when Prometheus
Grotto was going in the COS, Ole took a long time with his portions because
he kinda wanted to "battle Barton" - at least, from Vad's point of view. I
wasn't there. I didn't see any of it. Ask Vad. He was the head of the
Grotto.
Post by SOD of the CoE# I couldn't stand the idea that they'd go to so much trouble to PREVENT Egan
# from simply making another org of his own. They persecuted him. They
# prevented him from getting on tV to speak about HIS form of Satanism, too.
sadly humourous.
# ...It was withdrawn when I said they could no longer use a word from
# us in ANY of their stuff.
and your withdrawal was in response to the "Is Fascism Satanic?"
compilation being squelched.
No, my withdrawal was in response to the trashing I gave them online and the
copies of all of it I made sure Barton got in the mail - 4 packages worth of
it. The summary of that is in the file I sent you.
Post by SOD of the CoE#># ...Zeena who used to be the High Priestess of the COS...
#># she not only left the COS and the HPhood, but she disowned
#># her father.... ...She joined the TOS, rose up in that due
#># to her ability and merit ([per] Aquino...) - and then was
#># made High Priestess of the TOS. She then splintered off
#># to head The Storm.
#>
#> amusing. this implies the interest in LaVey legacy in ToS also.
#
# Not at all. She completely disavows her father, refuses to be
# called even by the name Lavey. She publicly and on TV disowned
# him. She also claimed to curse him to death on the Bob Larson show! ...
par for the course. you should see the Satan family in comics. I've
been researching that for some years now, and Satana (the girlchild)
of Satan is a real mean monster. she sucks out souls, Tani!
Never saw it. Not interested in it. Give you an example - I watched 2
episodes of Gunsmoke today, 1 episode of the Waltons, and plan on watching
Hallmark Channel movie tonight and ER after it's taped. In the main,
however, I am an avid sci fi fan, Star Trek, that, the sci fi channel stuff.
I prefer VISUAL media over anything else. I'm not interested in reading
religious material of ANY kind - especially org stuff. I am a beach lover
when it's warmer out, love the ocean, and when sitting on the beach with
nice sea wind, I like to play cribbage or just relax. OK? I enjoy a good
meal, ballroom dancing. I'm not intersted in anything ELSE. Phil's main
interest has ALWAYS been science. Always. Even as a child. Otherwise, we
have 90% of what we like in common. OK? So we, you and I, have vastly
different interests - interests so far apart that in real life, if we met
and didn't know who each other were, we'd probably never talk past five
minutes and then we'd forget each other. Also, if you didn't frequent the
places I tend to BE at, we would never ever meet and cross paths.
Post by SOD of the CoE# She does not disavow her mother Diane, btw. So, while we might
# see her as Anton's daughter - she does not see HERSELF as his
# daughter....
she must have at some point. genetically it may be supposed.
the dynasty lives on in additional factionalism.
One never knows. Maybe she has legit reasons to say she's not his daughter.
DNA TEST? Who knows. I think that only a very small percentage of
satanists see them as any kind of dynasty. I sure don't.
Post by SOD of the CoE#> insofar as either Aquino or you might be examples, both
#> of you are no longer affiliated (Aquino left, you were
#> apparently abandoned or cast out).
# I was disassociated by Barton - but consider what I did. I MAILED her all
# the trashing and outing of shit that I had DONE to her own members. I made
# sure she got it all, too, hard copy.... ...all the people I was trashing
# and exposing, the ones on the "in-clique" with the clout to intimidate
# people for wanting to write anti fascist projects and such, they are now
# either purged out, or persuaded to quit - or they are dead or in jail....
sounds like your instincts were good at least in some instances.
I can remember Gilmore saying maybe 100 times "Tani, you were
right......again." Yup. It's not my problem, Tyagi.
Post by SOD of the CoE#>#> C$ The source of the energy we raise and focus remains the
#>#> C$ same; our dark Frequency remains as constant as polar north.
#>#
#># ...It's very very ancient.
#>
#> I understand that the ideas you synthesized together in part draw
#> on longstanding philosophic and religious societal traditions. if
#> this is your point, granted. other than that, I see nothing which
#> is different than ordinary Neopaganism, and *less* if one is
#> talking about ritualism (which you say that you two don't do)
#> and worship (I haven't understood your mode of worship if you
#> have one). values are easy to explain. demonstrations tougher.
#
# I worship nothing - in the sense you mean worship....
and your sense is? relish? engagement of the Dark Force? Knowing?
Knowing - feeling at all times. Otherwise, it's not somethning I THINK
about - it's like breathing.
Post by SOD of the CoE# ...There is nothing neo-pagan about DDocs. It's as far from that
# as it is from monotheism. The entire paradigm is just too different.
its paradigm or integrity with respect to extant or previous peoples
is less important to me in an evaluation of its Neopaganism as
compared with its overt societal connection.
Huh?
Post by SOD of the CoE#> course many 'zines which are filled with questionable materials.
#
# OH, those books are not really The Books. The Satanic Witch
# was originally called the Compleat (not misspelled) Witch -
# LaVey wrote it. I have it.
"The Satanic Witch" has different contents, substantially from its
original edition, "The Compleat Witch"??
No - same book.
Post by SOD of the CoE#># ...It's a SYMBOL, nothing more....
#>
#> this is a predominant perception of Satan within LaVeyan Satanism,
#> agreed. as such it is a "form of Satan" (symbolic, conceptual)....
#
# Well, they tend to really mock out people that believe in a literal Devil.
which shows something of the nature of their CoSatanism, how it manifests
in Herds, what it includes, how it might function at large in society,
etc.,etc.
#> sure it is, it misses out on the MOST IMPORTANT KIND of
#> Satanism: independents, solitaries, etc.;
#
# ...they're mentioned now. But no urls can be given for them,
# of course! ALL of the independents in SR have NO online urls -
# and no use for them!
interesting. there's a few around I'm sure. :>
# ...Who says that some Christians don't decide to [worship] that
# CHRISTIAN satan? SOME HAVE done that! ....
certainly true. proto-Satanists, de facto in some cases.
some of the stories aren't reliable.
I met a few of them during PRE-LaVey days in the 60s. Devil worshipers.
They called themselves satanists.
Post by SOD of the CoE# ...MET a Christian Devil worshipping Satanist - self identified
# as a Satanist.
such individuals are not unknown to me. some orient this way for
a transitional period post-Christianity.
#> ...please
#> describe actual CoSatanist rituals and activities....
#
# You can see them on the TV shows where they presented themselves doing them.
I saw 'Satanism Today' listed on websites. some kind of cable show?
are there archives of these things for sale somewhere?
Don't know - ask Satan Shop. They showed one on the MSNBC thing with the
Gidneys on it.
Post by SOD of the CoE# ...it was the HP and CO 9 that INTIMIDATED their own members AGAINST
# giving me and the guy who made the project ANY essays....
thank you for clarifying that.
# That is REALLY what started the shit flying - the anti fascist stance
# and ME soliciting essays FOR the guy after Gilmore WARNED him against
# it. Then ME putting it on OUR website. Then the flames flew and the
# shit went down. In that order. That, plus a few other things.
and plus you had that letter he sent too which was sick-humour reference
to usenet nazy-metaphors. do you think he was trying to avoid you kinda
cramping his style? was he using this nazi-metaphor quite a bit through
the years for internal communiques? I didn't get that impression, or that
it was much more than a joke, possibly making light of neo-nazi factions.
If you mean that email, I was NOT one of the recipients of that. There was
no joke about it - he sent that TO people that he knew WOULD DO what he
asked them to do, LIKE storm troopers. Damn, tyagi - pay attention - I was
NOT one of the recipients of it. It got OUTED by one who WAS - that is how
I obtained it.
Post by SOD of the CoE#> religious hypocrisy is rampant. nothing new there.
#
# Among people that declare that they hate hypocricy? ....
amongst all religious I've ever encountered, bar none, yes.
#>#> $| The Order of Nine Angles would be the only form of Satanism
#>#> $| out there that would conform to [a] Christian view, including
#>#> $| the view that Satanists engage in human sacrifice and other
#>#> $| such panic-inspiring ideas.
#> ...the ONA is not the ONLY form of Satanism which supports the
#> notion of human sacrifice. I do, for one, and that makes your
#> statement untrue.
#
# I can add you to that if you like - give me details in email so
# I can COPY PASTE. Note that if your URL has info that people
# can find (eg, Tos does NOT openly excplain Set).... then I can
# point to the URL and YOUR definition of human sacrifice (which
# is not really a normal definition of it!!) EMAIL it. I'll
# definitrely see it and get it faster.
will do, later tomorrow or something, thanks!
# Fixed that, mentioned independents - but there is nothing
# much ANYONE can say about them save to say they are independent. :)
depends on your interests. DVera pioneered it and I think it worthy
of repetition that Independent Satanists are alike to others in
that they all perceive some beneficial or advantageous relation to
whatever they associate with "Satan", else they wouldn't seek to be
known as somehow correlate to a 'Satanist' (even if an atheistic
adversarial type or a demonolater hoping for Armageddon deserts).
#> you might want to get to know some of those forms too.
#
# What for?
depends on your interests in reflecting the vast preponderance
of Satanists out there. somebody (you? someone else maybe) said
recently in usenet that Satanism is not popular culture. this
is possible to generalize into sociology also (Satanism is not
what grabs the most attention and locks into inverso-Christian
trajectories; it is also strewn with primarily anti-religious
and anti-Christian valences from the Black-Metal types, which
are definitely qualifiers, to the wild demonolaters hanging
out in goth clubs and communing with the Dark Side.
I can't relate to the inversion or anti christian or whatever types of
ANYTHING, whether they be clothed in satanic garb or atheistic garb. I keep
clear of people with a desire to rage AGAINST their own backgrounds or
culture or whatever. I can't relate to why they don't just bitch out their
parents and get done with it. I don't want to hear their noise. I avoid
them if I see them. They don't meet me, normally. Neither can I relate to
the inverso Islam out there, where people get distorted Mohammed words and
spend their own good time BITCHING about how horrible they are. I think
they see something of themselves IN that - hence the obsessions.
I have no desire to talk about that kind of shit. No desire to hear it.
I'd rather hear about Joan's new shoes.
Post by SOD of the CoE# I might be seen as individual - independent....
agreed. I figured that you were, that there wasn't any need
for adherence to the Dark Doctrines to make them valuable
within the experience at least of *yours*,
Right, you got it. It's not some BIG issue in my life as it is with people
who ARE religious - or even to people that get INTO the DDocs.
and that its
Post by SOD of the CoEcompelling authenticity was in part what drew the CoSatanist
Herd to put their weight behind it, at least temporarily.
Yes, until I said they could not longer use any of it. tyagi, I don't enjoy
talking about the DDOCS with anyone offline real life either. People that
HAVE come to visit me, did not talk about ANYTHING like that, while here. I
made it available for others, sure - and they might get INTO it. But to
think I'm "INTO" that would be a mistake. It's all very personal, and there
is really no mode of communication about such matters with anyone OUTSIDE
THE CULTURE - and then, people IN the culture seldom talk "about" that stuff
either :) It is useful information - it has helped people. Yes.
:>
Post by SOD of the CoEthat this body of work was the production of more than one
individual of course makes it more difficult to divide up
in so easy a manner, however. as such, whoever originates
them may somehow qualify (you said PMarsh is primarily an
atheist,
Correction - I said it. Phil HIMSELF says he has no religion. He's not an
atheist - he considers that a religion too. That is what he SAID, quote
unquote. Please keep up and do not assume I know what others believe. This
SHOULD give you an idea how much "religion" is NOT an issue Phil or I get
into or talk about. Phil can also do some of those siddhi things, the
yoga - but he does NOT regard that as religion at all. It's just something
he can do. If you want to know, my grandfather and I taught him that
stuff - because he was ABLE to do it. Like teaching a kid with good ears
and aptitude how to play an instrument - he already HAS the ability
ingrained in him.
for example; Hr. Vad appears solidly a Satanist
Post by SOD of the CoEas long as I've known of him and interacted with him,
for the most part in friendly tones).
You'd have to ask him.
Post by SOD of the CoE# I am Satan. You are TALKING to the flame that burns
# IN the boundless Darkness. My take. Bottom line :)
an obvious explanation for your pro-Satanic orientation.
You could take it that way. :)
Post by SOD of the CoE#># ...YOU are not the source for SR, CoS or ToS or any other
#># ORGANIZATION out there. Right? ...
#>
#> non-sequitur. I'm the source for Satanism insofar as I am
#> allied with, have pacted with, defend, and assist Satan to
#> the best of my ability and am attempting to clearly give
#> expression to the extant materials by actual Satanists.
#>
#> organizations, as I've said above, are NOT the core or the
#> centrality of Satanism. it is always the INDIVIDUAL who
# ...who is gonna want to know about "what satanic orgs are out there,
# what kind of satanism is out there" and FIND an independent solitary
# satanist? ....
presentation is everything.
# ...How do YOU know there aren't Jewish Satanists ....
I don't. I presume there are probably all kinds. I think you provided
me with a URL for one of your friends who so identifies. :>
# ...Independents DO NOT TEND to keep in touch....
correct. compare: solitary witches.
# ...the info for SR is way too Hindu [focussed] -
# it's misleading, I think. Hmm, note to self -
# SAY that on there. LOL.
good idea. in part I was hoping to draw you out to say more
in association with conventional Western terms how Sat-Tan
relates to whatever you do with it, and what this might be
in relation to Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, and whatever
seems possibly comparable, afterwards. the comparisons are
only helpful to those who (like me, perhaps) have some
exposure to those ideas and terminologies, systems.
Well, none in the Sr have a problem understanding the doctrines, if they get
them, or the stuff on the SR website (the SR website - not the GoD one). So
it's not an issue .
Post by SOD of the CoE#> at least our threads actually pertain to Satanism. ;>
#
# Heh, imagine that! on alt.satanism, too. WOW. ;-9
exemplary!
heh, typed this during the commercials - watching a GOOD SHOW here :)
Later.
Post by SOD of the CoEblessed beast!
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